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4. Page 12 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 E Recall Software Installation Neve Recall software allows settings from the 8804 to be stored on a PC or Mac and recalled for later use Recall can be used for all the units in the 88 range including 8801 8803 8804 and 8816 Multiple units can be stored and recalled together Please see the separate Recall Manual for further details This may be downloaded from the Neve web site at http www ams neve com html downloads index ph Installation for PC Salze eco Je Insert the CD into the drive and the Set up program should automatically launch If the application fails to launch automatically on CD insertion then go to the CD Drive in Windows Explorer and double click the NeveRecall msi file or the setup exe file the file to launch the Setup program manually The Welcome screen will launch Click Next ie Neve Recall Cl C k N ext A Welcome to the Neye Recall Setup Wizard E A The installer will guide you through the steps required to install Neve Recall on your computer Click Next to continue WARNING This computer program is protected by copyright law and intemational treaties Unauthorized duplication or distribution of this program or any portion of it may result in severe civil or criminal penalties and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the law Cancel Previous 4 8 Neve Recall le Click I Agree then clic
5. 3 4 5 E Auxiliary Send The 8804 provides balanced Direct Outputs from each of the 16 channels These can be used for recording or as sends to effects units and processors The Direct Outputs can be set Pre or Post faders within the Recall software If a channel direct output is set to post fader the user can select whether the direct output will be muted by the Cut Solo switch Please see the Recall Manual for how to set up the Direct Outputs as Pre or Post Fader The Direct Output balanced circuits are on the 50 pin D type connector on the rear of the 8804 Please see Appendix B for the Direct Output wiring diagram Recall With levels controlled from the 8804 faders the rotary level control on the 8816 is available to use as an auxiliary send level control The output appears on Circuit 4 of Connector 3 on the 8816 please see the 8816 User Manual for connector details The 8816 level controls become auxiliary sends RECALL SETTING Setting Up e Connect the 8804 and 8816 units to the PC Mac via USB cables e Ensure that both 8804 and 8816 units have been set to the same state M Master or S Slave using the Recall Setting switch on the back of each unit please see the 8816 manual for an explanation of master and slave units e With the 8816 unit and 8804 connected to the PC or Mac start Neve Recall e The CUT SOLO switches are automatically synchronised between the two units therefore both
6. e Connect the 50 pin Fader I O socket on the rear of the 8804 to the 50 pin socket on the rear of the 8816 using the cable provided e Connect the associated 8816 to the same PC or Mac using a USB cable The 8804 fader pack will now control the level of signals on the 8816 channel inputs and master outputs e Mutes and Solos may be controlled from either the 8804 or Page 4 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 the 8816 Mute Solo switches 2 The 8804 Unit Unpacking The 8804 is shipped in a purpose made protective box Beneath the 8804 unit is a polystyrene floor underneath this floor should be e a CD containing software and manuals e a50pin audio cable e a USB cable e a 50 pin D type connector e a ribbon cable for installation in the associated 8816 Mounting The 8804 can be rack mounted used on a table top or mounted in custom furniture e To mount in a standard 19 inch rack the securing screws should be placed through the mounting holes using plastic washers to avoid scratching the unit surface e For table top use the tilt bar on the rear of the unit should be extended supporting the unit at a convenient working angle e The 8804 may be placed in custom studio furniture using the lip of the unit for support Connection E Two 50 pin D type audio connectors and one USB connector are Br mounted on the rear panel USB Port The USB port should be connected to either aPC or
7. a Mac During normal operation the USB provides communication between the 8804 unit and the associated 8816 unit plus it provides power to DIR O P FADER 1 0 the 8804 For this reason when connecting the unit to a PC or Mac it must I S either be connected directly to an available USB port or via a ENE powered hub not via a passive hub SETTING It also provides a link to the PC or Mac for the recall and restore of 8804 settings see separate manual for Recall Direct Output Connector The left hand 50 way D type connector labeled DIR I O is for direct outputs from each channel This cable is NOT supplied but a 50 pin D type connector is supplied with the unit for the user to wire as they require Connections are balanced see Appendix B for connector pin out plan Fader I O The right hand 50 way D type connector is the analogue audio link between the 8816 and the 8804 This cable is provided with the 8804 Connect one end to the 8804 connect the other end to the 50 way D type socket on the associated 8816 unit See Appendix B for connector pin out plan Page 5 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 3 Operation Channel Faders Master Faders Sixteen 100mm channel faders on the 8804 surface control levels on channels 1 16 with a gain range from oodB to 15dB Having 15dB gain in hand is a useful creative tool particularly when riding levels in the mix Care should be taken not
8. orde ee ee een 15 EI EEE SEIEN 5 Block Diagrams 8804 Optional control with 8816 Summing Mixer Page 3 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 1 Overview The 8804 fader pack is a complementary product for the 8816 Summing Mixer please see separate 8816 User Manual for guidance on this product 8816 units shipped with an 8804 fader pack will be ready for use with the 8804 When adding an 8804 to an 8816 that was previously used in standalone mode it will be necessary to change jumper settings within the 8816 see Block Diagrams at the end of this document On older 8816 models it may also be necessary to update the firmware see Appendix D If in doubt please consult your local Neve Dealer 8804 provides fader Level control Direct Outputs from each channel Mute and Solo control With an 8804 attached the Level control on the 8816 is re assigned as an Auxiliary Send control Settings on the 8804 may be stored and recalled using the same Recall software as the 8816 and other members of the Neve 88 Outboard series Getting Started e Install the Recall s w provided on to your PC or Mac See Appendix G at the end of this manual e Connect the 8804 USB port to a PC or Mac using the USB cable It should be connected directly to the computer or via a powered USB hub but not via a passive USB hub e The 8804 has no power supply and takes it s power from the computer via USB
9. to overload the workstation or other recording device by using too much boost across multiple channels simultaneously With the 8804 fader pack attached the 8816 rotary pots are taken out of the main circuit and retasked as an auxiliary send level control The 8816 Master Level pot is no longer used 5 4 Cut Solo Channel Switches Two master faders control the Mix Left and Mix Right output levels with a gain range from oodB to OdB With both faders at the top of their range the mix gain is unity 10 1 12 13 14 IS 16 EN ell Ego E HE a E S Cut Solo Master Switch Cut Solo buttons above each channel activate the Mute relays in the 8816 via the USB connection The switches on the 8816 and on the 8804 may both be used each will illuminate to reflect changes made from the other e In Cut mode each button mutes the associated channel e In Solo mode each button solos the associated channel The solo type is Solo In Place all non soloed channels are muted The Cut Solo switch on the upper right of the 8804 sets the mode of the Cut Solo channel switches e When the Master switch is illuminated yellow the channel buttons are in Solo mode e When the switch is unlit all channel switches are in Mute mode left Page 6 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 Direct Outputs tecall Unit 88045 363 Neve Recall Uni E AAA A A 5 5 7 8 El 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 CUT SOLO L R
10. units reflect the same CUT SOLO state as each other In the default set up mode the 8816 becomes the control unit for mutes during Recall this can be switched to the 8804 See the Recall manual for this Note No more than two 8804 units can be connected at any time to the PC and Recalled or synchronised with their respective 8816 units For more information on the operation of the Recall software download the separate Recall manual from Wwww ams neve com Page 7 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 4 Appendices A Unit Specifications Specifications Width 48 2 cm 19 Height 17 6 cm 3U Depth 3 2 cm 1 2 1 kg Channels 1 16 to 15dB Mix L amp R to 0dB 0 2dB 10Hz to 20kHz I 0 5dB 10Hz to 40kHz Measurement Window 10Hz to 80kHz Fader OdB Distortion lt 0 005 20Hz to 20kHz Measurement Window 10Hz to 22kHz Fader OdB Noise lt 90dB 20Hz to 20kHz Page 8 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 B Connector pin outs 1 Direct Output Pin Number Cable s e a7 Au er A _ al AR L ah j w F fac Ma J A pr AO rant E N Iso ro i a 7 F F 3 FE 4 22 F pa A a ie jot Zoo k a AT ht she Po at faa qi T F 1571 wa An 2 Hm an he ur ED G ai u a Ta LA d r pa i A a La 35 en y 4m 4 LE T
11. 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 N Neve Neve 8804 Fader Pack User Manual 527 369 Issue 2 AMS NEVE Billington Road Burnley Lancs BB11 5UB England Phone 44 0 1282 457011 Fax 44 0 1282 417282 info ams neve com www ams neve com www neve eu Page 1 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 Health Safety Notice For your own safety and for the protection of others please observe the following safety instructions e Read these instructions e Heed all safety warnings e Do not use near water e Clean only with a dry cloth e Do not install near heat sources e Do not block ventilation openings e Protect the power cord e Only use accessories specified by the manufacturer e Unplug when unused for long periods of time e Refer all servicing to qualified personnel only 2007 AMS Neve Ltd own the copyright of all information and drawings contained in this manual which are not to be copied or reproduced by any means or disclosed in part or whole to any third party without written permission As part of our policy of continual product improvement we reserve the right to alter specifications without notice but with due regard to all current legislation Disclaimer The information in this manual has been carefully checked and is believed to be accurate at the time of publication However no responsibility is taken by us for inaccuracies errors
12. atest updates and support on Neve Recall AMS Neve Ltd http www ams neve com Click Next to continue Cancel Page 14 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 ii Neve Recall Installation Complete Neve Recall has been sucessfully installed Click Close to exit Cancel Previous 809 Install Neve Recall Welcome to the Mac OS X Installation Program You will be j guided saugt the steps necessary to install this software Select Destination 4 installation Type EM installing EM Finish Up SE Continue een Install Neve Recall Select a destination volume to install the Neve Recall installation Type ie installing EB Finish Up eN Install Neve Recall on clk Upgrade to perform a basic installation of this O Installation Type q sora package on e ae installing h A Finish Up e Install Neve Recall O installation Type O Installing O Finish Up Once the install has successfully completed click Close The software will now be ready to use and will be accessible from Start Menu Programs Neve Recall Neve Recall or from the Recall icon on the Desktop Installation for Mac Insert the CD containing the software into the Mac and the install programme will launch automatically Click Continue Select the location where you wish the software to be installed to Click Continue Click Upgrade and the software w
13. he metal shell of the Connector should be connected to the 8804 chassis Page 9 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 11 Link between 8804 and 8816 Pin Number Cable Pp A Ppa Eu AA ALA G y eh hu ao Fe a ss Pio SED Se Pay A MES PE MS Bu A PA T J A TE T y el A Mia aa e E a5 es The metal shell of the Connector should be connected to the 8804 chassis IN means input to 8804 OUT means output from the 8804 Page 10 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 C Recall Software For more information on installing and operating the Recall software and how to update the firmware on the 8804 unit please see the separate Recall documentation This is available for download from the AMS Neve website D Firmware Upgrades In order to get the most from your Neve unit the latest firmware should be installed Upgrading your software is a simple process with on screens prompts to guide you e Start the Recall software e On the main screen right click the window title bar Mac Pre f Post Settings Update Fenimar A ii re users select Recall N KR e Click Upgrade Firmware Selection of Units to F e Select the file to transfer 8816M 8816S plate Fis i You will be prompted about removing other units Please Ensure that ONLY the Unit to be Updated is Connected After Disconnection of Other Units Wait for 10 Seconds before Pressi
14. ill start to install The progress bar will show the state of the installation Once completed click Close The software is now ready to use Page 15 1 DRAWING No SHT 1 or 1 EB20553 Channel I P Ch Fader Coms Control CH 1 shown 2 16 similar pr FD Do Channel 0 P A inf to 15 dB Soffware Selection of Pre or Post and Cut of post CH Cut Recall Faders and Cuts Cut Solo bus Direct O P Power All Post Clear All Mac or PC screen page O P Faders Inf to 0 LH I P Y F 50W Povo Inf to 0 gt a LH 0 P pr FD Yo RH I P o F J gt o RH 0 P A sse m RAP 7 8804 soo FB20553 26 06 06 Date Traced RAP 16 Channel Drg No CN No Checked Fader pack SHT 1 o 1 checkes AMS NEVE Plc 2006 19 elA INSTALLATION PROCEDU TOOL SREQOTR EL
15. k Next License Agreement If you click I Do Not Agree the install procedure will terminate Please take a moment to read the license agreement now If you accept the terms below click Agree then Next Otherwise click Cancel By using this software you agree to AMS Neve s terms and conditions which are 1 Usage You may make as many copies of this nranram for vaur nin use as wou need hut wou may not v OI Do Not Agree Page 13 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 ware The installation programme will select a default location for files to Select Installation Folder af be copied and created to ALIN The installer will install Neve Recall in the following folder Click Next or click Browse and then select another location To install in this folder click Nest To install to a different new or existing folder enter one below or click Browse Folder C Program Files Neve Recalls Cancel Previous 4 i Neve Recall Click Next to start the installation Confirm Installation The installer is ready to install Neve Recall on your computer Click Next to start the installation Cancel Previous 4 sad eval The install will start and file progress will be shown Installing Neve Recall Neve Recall is being installed Cancel i Neve Recall Neve Recall Information Click Next Please visit http www ams neve com and register your product today to receive the l
16. ng OK Neve Recall an When updating units only the unit that is being updated should Invalid Unit Type s or More than ONE Unit Connected to USB be connected via USB Please Try Again All other units should have their USB disconnected Even if you are updating two units of the same model they should be connected individually and updated in two separate operations If more than one unit is connected via USB when the Update is about to be performed a screen will prompt you to disconnect the other units Update 8803 Unit Firmware A prompt screen will confirm the software number amp version you Ele an nane down AADS Y hex should select and display the current version of firmware for the where Y is the Version Number unit Update Takes Approx 2 mins Current Firmware on Unit Version 2 Click OK Press OK to Continue Selecting a File for Transfer Update 8803 Firmware Select Hex File E The Open File dialog will appear To locate the firmware data file Look in Firmware browse to the location e PC users C Program Files Neve Recall Firmware e Mac users Applications Neve Recall Firmware The file names follow the format down_88XY_V hex where XY are ee the last two digits of the 88 unit name e g 16 for 8816 and V is Files of type 8803 Outboard Firmware Files hex Y the oftw are v ersion numb er Al mn A typical filename could be down_8804_5 hex Page 11 88 Series O
17. or omissions nor any liability assumed for any loss or damage resulting either directly or indirectly from use of the information contained within it Trademarks All trademarks are the property of their respective owners and are hereby acknowledged Page 2 88 Series Outboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 Table of Contents Health amp Safety Nollce uses 2 L UV IO WE A 4 C aegis ES 0 q r Er o ne ne eer ete re 4 2 NE 88024 Diana 5 Elger ina o EP Eon O EEE O EEE EEE 5 IYO UN CHING a Pin OO E O nn bake 5 CONNECT Neira idad aiii 5 USD PO sat 5 Direct OUMU CONNECTO PO e Pe o o A 5 Fuera odo 5 3 ONO UN ERDAS EEA R 6 CNN Fade Samora triana 6 Master Fader pomor eos 6 Cut Solo Channel SWCD 6 CUE SOIO Master SWL ee ee aaamooo 6 Bo e Po o ORO PI 7 AU o aro iia 7 o EEE EEE 7 SELLING APP een nn een 7 A ADDEN CE ee en 8 Po UIC SDeCINCALl ONG arneses 8 Ao se ER E o e o Eo On 9 1 DI FREE DENE D NEN IR es RE arab 9 ii Link between 8804 and 8816 uuusseeneononnunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nun nnn un nnnu nun nenn nn une 10 Es Recal SOM Vall a a a a ta pois ota a Erna 11 Di Firmware UPF Somos e 11 Selecting a File Tor Transfer da 11 Pile DOWN densa Nr 12 Corrupted OF Old FIM Wal Ersan tea ee Er o 12 E Recall Software Installation ccc ccc ccceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeauanananaananees 13 TStallANOM TO PE rre te acabes 13 IMStalla cOn MAG een een nenn
18. utboard 8804 Fader Pack Issue 2 Double click on the latest filename which matches your unit If an incorrect file is selected the user will be prompted to select another file File Downloading Once the file is selected the transfer will begin and the Recall screen will display that the download is under way Please Wait Updating Firmware This process may take up to two minutes Neve Recall Upon completion the message Firmware Update Successful will Firmware Update Successful be displayed a IMPORTANT PLEASE RESTART RECALL Click OK to continue OK You can continue to update other units successfully without restarting Recall but the Recall software must be restarted once this process is finished Neve Recall If the transfer fails for example if the USB is removed by accident or power is lost to the unit a warning message will prompt to the Error Updating Firmware File user to try again Please try again If Recall is started with a unit that has no firmware the user will be prompted to upgrade the firmware as the unit cannot be used in Recall unless the firmware installation is successful Corrupted or Old Firmware If the firmware is corrupted or the unit has an old version of firmware a prompt will appear upon starting the Recall software to indicate that firmware must be updated before the user can proceed The process described above can then be followed to update the latest firmware

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