TRI Web Based Tools Webinar Transcript
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1. Initially we were thinking of splitting the icons based on color according to some scheme it could be facility type or it could be high releases low releases If you click on the information button it would show you a little bit about the application and more on how to use it The map legend we go over that If you were to click on a facility name it gives you a balloon You click on a call out And that will give you context information it compares to other facilities nearby Some context information and a breakdown of releases by media It also has chemical release and some cancer and non cancer effects It tells people a little bit about how much chemical is released Whether it is cancer or non cancer Also some compliance data Is the facility in compliance with the different Acts of EPA Clean Air Act Clean Water Act RCRA TRI And a little bit about compliance and non compliance information It has search capability by zip code you can go to a traditional map From satellite to ordinary maps Throw in some street information Do a search on cities addresses and for instance this right here What happened here was if was to click list would get a list of all the facilities That is what this is And it orders them by in the distance from map center Click on each one of these things and you get content of facility You can search on proper names like World Trade Center and it would find things like that or information like Love C2. information for these facilities The compliance information is from OECA the Office of Enforcement Compliance and Assistance They keep records of all compliance information and if we go to OTIS has access to the database You can gather the information fro OTIS and that s where we go it Public information is available form OTIS and of course internally we use ISIS like those stickpins Will put those in TRI NET See if can grab a couple more off of here if have a couple seconds think it is fantastic it s going on my iPhone Thanks Another comment for clarification the mobile application is for a laptop It can be used on a laptop but is primarily for a cell phone The last question the Air Quality Index does not show air quality impacts did you consider accessing NATA to look at air risks There was a section on that page that did present NATA data And if you were to pan over you could see that but this is juts a screen shot but that information is part of what showed 1 51 17 Ok and think I m going to close it there because we are almost perfectly at 4 00 for the East Coasters back here And know there are more comments coming in but I m going l m have one question for Bill this is John Scalera just on TRI NET Bill recall my memory but isn t there a feature on TRI NET where you can pull those chemicals we are working on into TRI CHIP to get their adverse effects associated with them Yes you can go both
3. Facility Report Again to make life interesting I ll keep in for all of US to be easier generated a report for all Federal facilities and in the past the Federal Facility Report was a fairly dry report that did not allow drill down to which facilities were in these Agencies Now these are all linkable items Clicking on TVA will now give me a facility report just as in a facility report In the past one could do it but it was like pulling nails trying to get this detail Now we have made it a fairly easy straightforward report Another change that we ve made and l Il pick facilities again there is actually two changes have been made to speed things up unfortunately you re look at a live site on our development server and we are still making changes as we are talking In the past when you have resorted a column any time you resort a column it would only resort the data which was present on the screen at the time so if you wanted to sort all the facilities for total on site releases you had to display all 21 let me go back because we are not seeing 2008 data yet it shows that the 2008 data we are debugging with our software now You would have to display all 2775 facilities and this is different than what you would pull up now because this has the updated corrections over the past year You would display in order to do a valid sort Right now this screen is showing the top 100 facilities but if do a sort lowest to highest the
4. export into TRI NET Here have beryllium and want to export to TRI NET you come up with this page and can hit go and actually will do a little demo later when I get to the second page another feature of TRI CHIP which I will get to in a second am going to close this page out amp n bsp This is a search by source screen that is available in TRI CHIP am talking a little fast here to save time am going to close that out want to go to the second option Again we have Search by Source And told you a little bit about our documentation and tutorials here Let s talk about Search by Effect This screen comes up and it is Search by Effect and has cancer as the default and these are all the chemicals and the various sources who identified cancer as an issue for these particular chemicals Now lets pick we have non cancer oral inhalation Let s say if we are just interested in inhalation By the way when we hit the non cancer effects we get a set of effects that are available to check by and these are the 17categories actually ATSDR categories Examples if something affects body weight as the adverse effect or affects your heart cardiovascular or dermal these will pop up and we can screen accordingly So let us take an example say am interested in non cancer effects that are caused by inhalation and it is through acute exposure very short term acute exposure and the effect am interested in is something that gives me an en
5. me the same query but only the industries in Region 1 so this subsets the query and shows you just counts specific to facilities in Region 1 And I could just as easily go to that and say Region 1 2 and 3 and that would be for a query for facilities in the northeast Let s do a zip code analysis Let s do counts in there and some releases So for instance if I sort on facilities this tells me that Zip code 77507 has the most facilities reporting and zip code 99752 And something forgot is no it s ok So let s do 2008 let s look at trend I m going to go to zip code and also look at year counts and releases and I will use the trend file and see what that gives us So we can now do one of several things Also want to tell it that I m interested in two just two years 2007 2008 and then want to do a change analysis And this will tell me if click on this this column has the absolute change and the next column is the percent change If wanted to find out which zip code had the greatest absolute change it would be 89820 that has the greatest change You can also say am only interested in mercury want to look at that and do that analysis for mercury mercury compounds It looks like the same facility has maximum change for mercury from 07 to 08 as well do not know how much time have left have not kept track of it 23 03 OK how much time do have left You know what you have about ten questions that h
6. reason am doing lowest to highest is the lowest will be O to 8 We now go back to the entire data base doing a sort so when we sort it is a much more valid and quicker way of sorting The other feature we had last week actually and somehow it got undone instead of displaying the top 100 facilities we are going to display the top 10 facilities And in any of the extensively long reports we are only going to display the top ten facilities And you will have the option to make it the top 20 top 15 top 5 We are trying to let you the user customize what they see on the screen It also will give you a complete table on the screen at one time and if sort all facilities for federal releases just get an easier number and totals will be what I see which makes it a much cleaner report And you may want just a report of these facilities In order to make it nicer to present a report all the TRI Explorer options now have new report capabilities We have PDF option Rich Text Option and we have a spreadsheet option that goes to Excel So if click PDFs it will give you a Web View I can save as a PDF file So here is that Web Report can now output to a PDF File can also save it as a Rich Test file depending on the software you have on your machine it will load up with what ever you want it to Our machines have Word so it loads up as a word document can now save this as a Word document can add to it modify it whatever would like to d
7. ways So John showed you a way to go from TRI CHIP to TRI NET but in from TRI NET you can go to the other way to find out information about chemicals that come up in a query in TRI LNET Thank you Ok there is one other quick question It is from folks in NJ It is a question for John regarding TRI CHIP Given the various sources for toxic data is there a schedule in place or plans for one to update the data on any type of regular basis Yes think we are looking at update of the data between October and January on maybe a calendar year basis to crank out the update effort which won t be significant given the amount of time required to update a chemical for a new assessment for a chemical So think if we start in October we will probably be able to look at the database for any changes in values and revise that out in the calendar year January 1 53 07 Ok since for a quick wrap up Thanks to all the presenters You ve all done a fantastic job know it was touch and go for the first 5 10 minutes as to whether we could get the presenters up on the screen and connected to us all And thank you to all the attendees for listening out there You asked some very good questions And just want to remind you that we didn t get to everyone s questions because of the time limitations so I ve taken copious notes and we are going to sort these all out and get them answered for you and they will be posted on our web site Couple other ve
8. A TRI fact ID No so that is another follow up for compliance issues So let me see is there one more prior No So that s it for me find these tools to be very valuable in helping to determine exactly who the facilities are who should be reporting for us each year That is it Kelly 57 31 Ok we have a few questions come in I think we have time for only a couple of minutes for We are going to have Steve Witkin come up after you so sorry about that everybody but we had a couple of technical difficulties So the question for you is see that TRI Explorer describes the data with a title would like to know if TRI NET shows the same description as a header after building and running a query Thank you d have to turn that question over to Bill Yeah that is what thought Not a main user yet of TRI NET No Not on the grid sheet but you can send it to a browser it will give you a title not as detailed as TRI Explorer but usually enough Ok and I think this is for you again Bill where can download TRI NET Do we have someone that can send them a link by email Steve Witkin a way to get to all of these tools is to go to www epa gov tri and the middle of that page there is a tab for data tools And you can get to the whole sweet of TRI tools from that page OK and one last question and anyone can jump because see have all my panelists on the line Can you give an example how the regulated community i e industry community can us
9. OK great 43 05 Thank you very much Mort and thank you for stepping in Bill I m now going to turn things over to Steve Witkin Just lost Steve Witkin Give me a minute every body For some reason I m unable to change the presentation to Steve Witkin For that I m very sorry He s not coming up as a presenter and giving me the capability to have you see his presentation so we might be able to come back to him Andy are you standing by We are going to skip to you Andy Opperman New Jersey who will discuss his experience with TRI Tools and apologize for the echo in advance OK am ready to go I m appreciative to EPA and ECOS for this opportunity to give a state perspective on TRI Tools TRI being an unfunded program for the states while there is a fair amount of partnership with the states these tools are really important So I want to give you a state perspective on what I use You have heard from the presenters previous to me about many of these tools My biggest use falls in the area of TRI Explorer which unfortunately we did not get to hear about yet and Envirofacts will breeze over a few things My primary applications are from a state perspective in tracking annual TRI submissions for New Jersey facilities Currently we have about 450 facilities reporting in the state Tracking facilities reporting trends and compliance and comparisons with the state reporting requirements any facility subject to TRI must complete a N
10. Transcript for TRI Web based Tools What s New and Emerging Webinar So without delay I d like to give a brief introduction I m Kelley Ann Lovelace know I ve met several of you before I d like to welcome everyone to this Webinar entitled TRI Web based Tools What s New and Emerging We have six presenters hopefully who will speak to you today over the next few hours and their bios can be found on the chemicalright2know org web site Given our time limitations we will only be taking two questions per presenter and would ask you to submit your questions in writing And you should have an area on your screen which allows you to do so And these questions will come directly to me and then will give them to each appropriate presenter to answer If we have time at the end of the Webinar we ll open things up for additional questions If there were additional questions we were unable to answer during the Webinar we re going to have a frequently asked questions bank set up on our web site to address these remaining questions And this information should be up within the next few weeks Since this is our first public TRI Webinar your feedback is very important and much appreciated So please take some time to provide some basic feedback at the end of this Webinar via an e mail that will be sent to you when the Webinar is over We are especially interested in listening to your thoughts on any future Webinar topics because we plan to have
11. When you drill down it will retain all the parameters So in this chemical report will click on the chemical and it will drill down to a facility report just with that chemical In the past you would have to identify a chemical it might be one of the top ten you would then have to run an entirely new report to find out which facilities released that material Now if you do that it is a one step process Another new feature we have which is at a direct request of our regional compatriots is a facility report or regional report mean If you do geography report we have two new options We can now do an option of the entire US by region or the entire US by zip code When we go US by region that will give us a report actually let me pick a chemical too Right now this is running on a different server l Il pick a chemical report It came up l Il do lead and lead compounds I m doing a report by EPA Region for 2007 since that is the latest data we have out there Now this report is lead lead compound by Region If drill down through the Region Region 3 will then give me the report for lead lead compound by Regions 2007 just for the states within Region 3 will continue to drill down to MD my home state and it will then take me to a facility report just for lead lead compounds for 2007 And if do an industry selection it will keep those parameters throughout the entire drill down process Another new feature we have is the Federal
12. anal Anything that has been in the news or already geo coded you could find information about it And something on the we are going to put in a facility to go out and get EPA services link for instance it will bring up air quality within that map window and tell you about it That is pretty much it We expect the mobile web myRTK will be done next month released to the public early next year The l Phone and Blackberry version are behind and probably will be soon thereafter At EPA we cannot release an application with one platform we have to develop it across platforms So that is why we have three major platforms Any questions 1 47 58 Yes several came through have a gentleman that asking the question who would want to use this map He is basically saying can get this information from my computer who is this really for This is for someone who is mobile carries his cell phone around and sees a facility where he is at or wants some information about it Unless he wants to carry around his laptop a cell phone is a lot more convenient Ok there is another question Is the data only 2008 or all years That s a good question Right now we will use latest year of data But it has not been decided upon yet know the latest year of data will be there probably by default It could be that you could look at earlier years of data so it s hasn t been entirely determined yet And the last question is where do you get the compliance
13. another one in late spring 2010 should also note that this Webinar will be recorded and will be available at our website again www chemicalright2know org And we anticipate that this will be up hopefully by mid December I d now like to introduce Mike Petruska Director of the Toxics Release Inventory Program at EPA headquarters He would like to make brief remarks before we begin 2 05 Thanks Kelley Thanks Mike Yes know some of you probably from the TRI conferences we ve done over the years and what we re doing today is a Webinar that s entitled TRI Web based tools What s New and Emerging And I just since some of you are probably very well versed in TRI but some of you may not be let me just give a few words of background here This project of the promotion of the TRI data and tools is a joint effort between EPA and ECOS under a cooperative agreement that EPA funds And under that cooperative agreement we do a national training conference and that s been done in the past annually We ve now moved it to an 18 month cycle so there will be a conference coming up in fall of 2010 And there s also a website that many of you may have seen it s called www chemicalright2know org that is again part of the EPA ECOS project And then we have the Webinars that we re doing which were intended to kind of fill in between the in person conferences And especially since we ve gone to the 18 month schedule we felt we could schedule t
14. ave come in and am trying to keep up with them all So if you are at a good point to stop Bill would like to give you a couple of these questions if you do not mind Sure Yes just want to say to the attendees out there that I m getting all questions in and I m writing the ones down that Bill can t possibly answer in this time frame so I m just going take probably the top twp or three and the rest we will put on our FAQ Bank on our Web Site so we will get to your answers So the first question is does TRI Net have a Federal Facility Layer Yes it does It does go ahead and go to that click on Federal Facility Click on that and just run the query with respect to Federal Facilities Like if we were to click on a new query of Seattle only want to look at Federal Facilities and show me how many there are and the total releases and it would tell me So it says that 340 Federal Facilities and the total release from those guys is about 500 million pounds And if wanted to see who they are and could do name address and there they are and you can tag them all and map whichever ones you want you can look at the highest releasing ones tag those by sliding this up and down and then map them Ok that should answer that Ok let me get another one here because there are quit a few Should I have access to 2008 data for TRI NET Currently we have only 2007 data No currently we just have 2007 data out there But 2008 data will be ava
15. but will highlight the Form R amp A Download interface because it is new And what you can do here is aggregate information based on your inputs from directly from the Form Rs and the Form As So you can specify your inputs here and search Form Rs and Form As by for instance city name county name etc And then you can specify your outputs as well and see exactly what data you want from the Form R or the Form A And as you can see there are a lot of options to choose from do not suggest clicking on all of those And then at the very bottom here you can choose to have your output in either an HTML Table or a CSV file And the last thing that l Il touch in or l Il touch on within Envirofacts is within any of these queries if you go to TRI e FDR that ll take you to the Facility Locator tool which has been around but just wanted to highlight it because that s where our Early Data Sharing 2008 data is housed And with that Kelley Ann l Il take any questions from the listeners I m not seeing any questions come in at the moment Okay well if you anyone has questions at the end feel free to add those to the additional questions and we ll take a look at them 12 20 Okay great Okay thank you so much Kara With that I d like to turn it over to Bill Smith who will be doing a demo of TRI NET 12 29 OK want to run through the tool TRI NET a little bit The URL to download is on the bottom if you can see that will come back to that
16. different TRI fact IDs so make a quick switch use the back button change the reporting year to 2004 and see that there is a 2004 2006 2007 but there is no 2005 That makes us wonder what happened to the facility in 2005 and we are looking it to that It also assists us in identifying facilities that may submit their TRI Reports under a different facility name than we have them registered here in New Jersey The top little picture on that slide shows facility reported as Victory Refrigeration under TRI In New Jersey we know them as Glenwed Victory Inc So with the TRI ID No and other information particularly physical location information it helped us to figure out who the facility is that should be reporting Particularly challenging sometimes with Federal facilities because of the long names they provide Here is US Army Headquarters Fort Dix but if you look the middle section of the TRI ID No has SRMY for United States Army and the H from beginning of Headquarters To the lower left you see a facility same first five characters and the same last five characters in the TRI Facility ID but it says VPRTM and that is from the Department of the Military believe think Ft Dix has two separate reports as a partial facility So am not sure discovered this the other day when was preparing this presentation So I m not sure exactly what the story is but when looked in EnviroFacts there was no results in the search for that O8640VPRTM5417
17. docrine disruption of my endocrine system Actually did not pull up anything let s try there we go we get these four chemicals here and that is for chronic exposure not acute but long term exposure through inhalation something that will effect our endocrine system Based upon TRI CHIP which again is looking at the exposures to the lowest level of these chemicals what effects occur we get 5 chemicals here and I can print this report which will be a duplication of this information here or can go back to my source search where can get additional information on these five chemicals by clicking this button here So click that button and there are my five chemicals of interest These are endocrine disrupters through chronic exposure through inhalation Again can get more toxicity info Say want a report on these chemicals Well in TRI CHIP you hit the reports you get multiple report options You can generate this in Microsoft Excel There is a lot of information hidden in Excel Literally it would be like 1000 pages for those 5 chemicals So user beware You may want to customize your Excel page before you print it out By the way was looking at the TRI data in IRIS coming up as default but if you want OPP information you can select these individually and take those off those fields you do not want to see in the Excel spreadsheet If you do not have Microsoft Excel it will print it out in a text format But one thing we developed to
18. e This prototype This is the interface This button on the upper left would be the GPS button If you were to click on that it would display facilities at your GPS location The magnifying glass is for searching You can enter an address zip code etc lat long and it will send you a map and do a search and fill the map with all the facilities within a few miles of the map center On the lower part would be the map The next one is details If you click on that you will get a table or a list of all the facilities you see on the map These map pins stand for facilities If you were to click on a map pin you would get a balloon that would that would tell you about that and then there would be a call out so you could get content for that facility The next button would be for settings where you could for instance define what type of facility you wanted to see Maybe you wanted to see facilities with high releases or TRI facilities because we are showing TRI facilities as well as major facilities that do not report to TRI but are still very big The other one would be the information button But let me show you prototype we have put together have a Powerpoint have demonstrated this on the iPhone simulator So let me Ok Mobile TRI on the iPhone actually put this application together on the iPhone You would click the icon and it would start up and show you the facilities at the GPS location since this is for a iPhone it will have GPS capability
19. e stop and Ill turn it back to Kelley Ann to introduce the first of the speakers 5 17 Okay Thanks Mike believe we are going to start with Kara Koehrn our first speaker who will give you an overview of TRI tools 5 27 I m here You re at Bill s desk right Yea I m at Bill s desk Okay Alright so everyone should be able to see a screen that says Get TRI Data and Tools hope that s right I m going to be showing everybody today how you can get to TRI data and tools from EPA s web site And so just to start off this is again the Get TRI Data and Tools home page You can get to it from the TRI program home page And I m just going to go right down through everything This is just as a general overview where you can get the latest news and information on the TRI program as well as the latest data that the TRI program released And then also the three tools that EPA has developed to sort of analyze and do your own data analysis on TRI data So starting at the top this first link takes you to the latest TRI data that we have out and open to the public You can access it through these three links down at the bottom here And what s exciting about the data this year is that we re doing what s called TRI Early Data Sharing which basically means that after our July first deadline when all of the TRI facilities turned in their forms we turned around and released the data to the public in August which is the earliest it s eve
20. e these tools in a useable manner This is John Scalera and will be talking about TRI CHIP in a few minutes guess One of the things of concern of releases or adverse affects where industry could pull information on level effects the concentrations and adverse effects associated with them that may be valuable information to the industry Kelly Ann this is Mort One thing facilities could do that are in particular SIC or NAICS codes is to in sure they are reporting correct they could canvass all the other facilities that report to TRI under their same SIC or NAICS Code and see what chemicals they report for Granted it could be different processes going on at facilities but they could get sort of a ball park of what other facilities are reporting for and they could go whoops maybe we are using this chemical above threshold and we have not reported for it and therefore if they do discover that they could use the EPA audit policy to self disclose that violation and therefore save their facility a lot of money and penalties OK thank you Mort 1 01 42 With that I ve changed the presentation over to Steve Steve this you right now TRI Explorer see on my screen That s correct Are you ready to rock and roll Ready to go Thanks Steve Ok TRI Explorer over the past year we were able to get some funding to rebuild a lot of the back end and cleanup the software in the back to make it run more efficiently Along the way we were able to benefi
21. elf in just a second this site has reported from 1998 thru 2007 and like Will mentioned apparently 2008 data will be made available shortly The one thing want to point out is even though we have this facility name for this location in that one would think that it has reported from 98 to 07 that is not necessarily the case The only thing Envirofacts shows is the latest name of the latest operator because in fact this facility could have come in 2005 and bought the facility that operated in 04 03 and 02 and now it appears to be the only facility that has been there since 98 So be cautious Just because that name is there and the years go from 07 back to 98 it may or may not have been the actual operator for that time period So basically that is it You can move this around any place you like so you can get a better view of it You can scroll in to get a more detailed view You can click on any of the facilities to find their names latitude and longitude You click on here to go to Envirofacts to get other information Or you can get information on here with this facility within TRI NET So Kelley Ann that is basically my presentation If there are any questions will attempt to answer them 39 58 OK Mort great job Actually we had about six questions come in am trying to go through them right now and we will try to answer two and again we will put these up on the website First question is does this application l
22. et you use rural route addresses or P O Boxes or country highway roads would have to defer that to Will because he is actually the gentleman who was kind enough to generate this for us I m sure it may take some of those but some am not sure about rural route numbers The next question is do need to download any applications to take advantage of all the TRI NET tools for example Virtual Earth or Google Earth No you do not All you need is the browser to see the maps Any others Is there a user manual for TRI NET It is on the web site Will and are collaborating on doing something about the mapping capabilities within TRI NET Ok think we have time for one more After entering the query do the map icons that are shown reflect all TRI reporting facilities even they no longer Report If so does the user have to select and go into Envirofacts to see if it is still reporting ran this report if you can still see my screen ran this report and ran it for facilities that reported in 2008 Conceivably there could be facilities that have stopped reporting in 2006 2005 that will not show up here because limited this search to 2008 Now can come down here and use 2007 or can come all the way to the bottom and use 2001 thru 2008 and map all those facilities You can use the multi year file it will pick up all years OK Does that answer the question If not have then have them re submit and we will address it on the home page
23. ew Jersey release and pollution prevention report which is a materials accounting approach So we go beyond release on site management and off site transfer of waste to include what comes into the facility from the beginning of the year and goes out through December 31 What a facility starts the year with in inventory produces on site brings on site consumes in processes or incorporates in the product if it is shipped as or in the product and all the waste management activities So it is very important from a compliance perspective that we keep all TRI facilities in compliance with New Jersey requirements as well have been just dabbling with TRI NET recently So really don t have much to say other that it looks like it can be a useful tool for us here in the future You heard earlier it is a data assessment and analysis tool generating ad hoc queries maps look to the opportunity to put this tool to work for us TRI Explorer is a really great tool generally focus in on the facility aspect of the options will show you if can do this Over here on the left we have the options of reports for chemical facilities federal facility trends etc and like the general use of facility part of it something happened to my screen But in any case usually choose the facility option the release reports and then skipping down from the United States when you can chose looks like it went to my last slide am going to try to recover fro
24. g a risk is identifying and understanding the hazards associated with these chemicals So what we have done with TRI CHIP Toxic Release Inventory Chemical Hazard Information Profiles System is we ve collected information across multiple sources many government entities on the hazards of these chemicals and looked at the critical effects those effects that occur at the lowest exposure to these chemicals and we have put them into a data base with built in queries And there are a lot of features so let me get started First of all we do have a documentation and tutorial to TRI CHIP and can click right there and again TRI CHIP is based upon a Microsoft Access Platform and it is based upon 2003 or 2007 and it is my understanding unfortunately have not been able to test it because all my machines have micro soft access at those modes but if you do not have Microsoft Access it will look for the 2007 freeware if you have Internet Access and download the free ware automatically so you can play around with TRI CHIP Now there is an overview and again in the documentation want to go to the overview real quick and just indicate we have IRIS Information on TRI CHIP Integrated Risk Information System and we have pesticide information from their registration and re registration program documents ATSDR information information from California EPA Office of Environmental Health Hazards Assessment we have National Toxicology Program and Inter
25. h chemical Those are your profiles One last thing I d like to show you real quick in TRI CHIP is say wanted to find out where these endocrine disrupters that are being released in the United States We are working on this export to TRI NET Let s see if can get that working here And it gives you a little explanation this segway page And if the chemicals are reported like say it was barium sulfate well barium sulfate is under the TRI program it is reported as the compound class barium compounds So if it was barium sulfate that s the TRI CHIP record selected It would be exported to TRI NET as the compound category barium compounds We hit the go button here and that will enter me into TRI NET and let me do a sort here and get chemicals outputs above 100 000 pounds per year and that is this group here and let me hit this here lIl do this mapping real quick think have to hit allow block content say yes and should get mapping so these should be the facilities releasing those chemicals that we ve identified at least from a critical endpoint as having the hazard endocrine effect for inhalation over chronic exposure So just ran through very quickly the utilization of this tool and again we have consolidated a significant amount of information and are in the process of QAing 1 37 08 So are you ready for a few questions Yes I m ready for a few questions Almost at the end of your time limit You did a fantastic rea
26. h criteria and it will screen accordingly Now have done a reset over here You can search by chemical name if you want a specific chemical and it actually has a user friendly like say you don t know how to spell toluene think it should have not tried it yet and misspelled it and hit that and it says yes would you like to match chemical name would you like to try variations and I hit yes and well it did not help me that close but it does give me some toluenes but this will allow you to precipitate chemicals of interest by name here and type in toluene or you can do it by CAS number And what we also have here let me do a reset here real quick is the TRI category chemical Example beryllium What chemicals do we have in TRI CHIP associated with the beryllium compounds reporting category We have beryllium compounds and we also have beryllium which is not really a member of the category but very directly associated we have beryllium oxide and beryllium sulfate and you can see that in IRIS we have no information on these two here believe the only source that gave us information on beryllium oxide and beryllium sulfate was California EPA can click through those and again if want further information on that can go here and hit the hot link and go Cal EPA and it has a cancer assessment of that particular chemical Now say am interested in beryllium selection and want to export this one feature we are working in TRI CHIP here to
27. hat you will click on for your short cut OK let s go back to here and go back to here and what want to show is basically an example of how to use a particular part of TRI NET and that is what Bill mentioned is to find facilities around a certain address Like you have a certain address of either your home friend s home a facility or whatever and you wanted to find all the TRI facilities around that certain address So again what you would do is you would click the icon that looks like a little magnifying glass for my neighborhood but another thing want to add too is once you download TRI NET periodically click on this button which looks like the earth click on it to see if you need to have updates and updated mine this morning so it says software is current data is current but sometimes it comes up and says you have so many items to load Just make sure periodically you check and make sure your software and information is up to date Ok in this instance I m just going to type in an address 601 East 8th St down in Deerpark Texas am interested in facilities within five miles of that location want to know what latitude and longitude is of this particular address and so when you hit go you will notice down here it has geo coded latitude and longitude and these are referred to as decimal degrees You will notice it is 29 7 and a bunch of digits minus 95 and a bunch of digits This is decimal degrees as opposed to degrees minu
28. ilable next month December after the data release OK And the next question is what platform does the TRI NET run on It runs on all Window platforms it will run on the Mac on a virtual machine like have an Apple MacBook Pro and have Windows installed in a virtual machine Matter of fact developed TRI NET on a Mac and run it ona Mac Ok so the next question is TRI NET only available on a Microsoft Platform Yes Itisa Microsoft application but it will run on other hardware as long as they have a virtual machine Ok ok and I m going to take this last question since we zipped through those Can TRI NET query map multiple facilities in a defined watershed or river basin At one time had watershed layer on there but no longer have it When had that you could query by watershed don t know if that answers the question Ok alright know we did not get to all the questions since we started late appreciate all the questions and those that we did not answer we will post on our Web Site 26 38 Without further ado will pass things over to Mort Wakeland from Region 6 who will discuss Uses Successes and Perspective of TRI NET Just give me a second to pass the controls to Mort Thank you so much Bill Thanks you are welcome OK what wanted to start out with is to let folks know that when they load TRI NET on the computer what it should look is they ll have a little icon that looks like this and that is w
29. in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington DC Click Go to geo code it Let s say want to look at facilities within five miles of it say OK And then I will click on build query and build query to look at facilities ID might want to look at some releases Run that query It comes up down here with 10 records So what we can do now is tag them all and then map them So you can see on the map these are the ten facilities it found And you click on any of these and they will be identified And you can click on this link to go out to get an Envirofacts report for that facility Another thing you can do is so that was to Google could just have easily sent this to Google Earth but let s try MS Virtual Earth will take a look at this first facility Virtual earth map gives you a nice bird s eye view of that facility which is useful See you can look at facilities in terms of Google Map Virtual Earth or Google Earth Let s do a simple query Let s do something by Industry Go to the grouping and pick Industry and want counts of facilities show me the facilities in each Industry and the total releases So go ahead and do that query These are the industry names and for instance food and beverage has 1575 facilities and you could sort these by releases The industry with the largest number of release is metal mining The industry containing the most facilities would be Chemicals You could also use this filtering and say give
30. ions As click these fields change according to the information source If we go to the NTP What you are going to see in the visual screen again is the NPT cancer classifications which is also true of your IARC and so to change to view these view screens you can change the sources Now I am back to IRIS Within TRI CHIP we have 716 records These are chemicals or chemical compounds or in some cases we have added an example of a chemical compound If wanted to look at IRIS Data only records that have IRIS information some of these records may not have information particular to IRIS at all Just hit IRIS Data Only and that actually that gives me 308 records Of the information in TRI CHIP only 308 records are relevant to the IRIS information Now these fields being in Microsoft Access they are all sortable so if wanted to sort by CAS number you just click on top there and you can sort by CAS number If you want to go alphabetically or numerically alphabetically you click up top If you want to precipitate like what is the lowest observed averaged effect level of a chemical and you want to precipitate lowest to the highest you just click on that It is very user friendly in that feature where you can start pulling out data and finding which chemicals again people may be more toxic or may have a very sensitive toxicity end point relative to other chemicals Another feature in TRI CHIP here real quick is if click on the chemical itself that
31. is a hot button and it takes me instantly to the web link associated with data in TRI CHIP as well as a few other web links like the Hazardous Substance Data Bank Example if wanted to go to the IRIS information associated with arsenic immediately go into the arsenic IRIS write up summary on arsenic And if close it out I m right back where I started So can go in and out of the web very readily and pull that information These buttons on the side say you are interested in silver and selenium only then you hit select and you will only get silver and selenium And you ll look at the information there Got this good old reset button her to go reset any time want to get everything back in Now another set of information here you ll notice in this section here we can set up quantitative parameters toxicity parameters for these chemicals An example if we are looking for a reference dose the amount of mg kg per day according to IRIS that you can intake without a observing an adverse effect in a human over a lifetime and you want the values that are greater than one you just can enter the value one there and hit enter and it will give the chemicals with the RFD s of intake greater than one and precipitate them out So you have all types of screens available there and you can do screens across various sources And this is an and button so if you apply something for IRIS and then you apply something for OPP data set it must meet bot
32. later Let me get on with the tool now This is it TRI NET Let me get rid of this TRI NET is a desk top application It s focused on capabilities needed to analyze TRI data and its strength is in analysis It has a powerful ad hoc query capability It is integrated with mapping systems for maps mashup it has powerful context drill down with undo it has a very rapid response it is highly interactive and has large capabilities for big queries It has innovations like auto update of data over the web It has my TRI neighborhood where you can enter an address and it will show you TRI releases within a certain radius of that address It is integrated with web 2 0 mapping technology such as Google Map Google Earth and Microsoft Virtual Earth It has extensive TRI data It has 21 years of TRI data from 1988 to 2008 Plus it has added value consisting of other layers It has an EJ layer for instance for answering questions like where the releases are in high minority areas or which facilities are in low income areas It also has a border layer for looking at facilities along the US Mexico border In addition it has tribal layer for looking at releases within tribal buffer areas And something new this time it supports metropolitan areas so you can analyze TRI releases within a metropolitan area It also has as well as having TRI pounds base data it has hazard Data which is pounds X toxicity which is a little bit of what RSEI Risk Screening Environme
33. lly great job We have three questions come in Hopefully we can zip through them so we get back to Bill and wrap everything up First question is that can they identify HPV chemicals High production volume chemicals No we do not have a field set up for HPV chemicals as part of the HPV program nor do we have one for the HAPs for the air so we don t have a specific designation for chemicals associated with various programs in the Agency Ok second question is may have missed this but where does the health data come from lIs it industry reporting the health hazard data Most of the data is not industry generated It is my understanding the International Agency for Research on Cancer the support from that is from industry and precipitating information on the cancer classification of these chemicals Otherwise this is EPA here the Office of Research and Development they do some of the best reports basically in the world on the Integrated Risk Information System The Office of Pesticides EPA generates the OPP data The Agency for Toxic Substances for Disease Registry Cal EPA State government entity the National Toxicology Program and our own TRI program and our own in house assessment for chemicals generally in response to petitions or the additions of chemicals to the TRI from the initiation of the program back in 1987 Any other questions think we may have time for one more Someone is making a comment that says the link between TRI CHIP a
34. m this Give me a moment seem to be at the last slide for some reason Here we go So in this area of geographic location like to select the state Here is an example of a facility issue l have a facility here in the state that was formerly Wheaton Glass that became Gerresheimer noticed that they reported in 2004 then 2007 then 2008 Every year we do an annual facility reconciliation project So when started looking at this facility noticed they did not report on 2006 at least under that TRI FAC ID Number And then found out they were somehow assigned a new TRI ID number when ran a report for that zip code So under the geographic location you can pick the United States you can pick a specific state or a zip code So picked the zip code and found out that we had a facility here It has now been corrected because of some information sharing between us here in New Jersey and EPA But we had this facility as you can see on the left Gerresheimer and they had a different TRI fact ID So these tools become very valuable in trying to identify the facility in the state that expect to be reporting and have spent the better part of my career here in this state 21 years now working with TRI Facilities in New Jersey that are required to report So the names change the owners change companies come into business go out of business So you spend a lot of time trying to keep track of who is who And particularly TRI Explorer and Envi
35. make it user friendly in TRI CHIP are Chemical Profile Reports So if click chemical profile reports am going to get a page per chemical front and back front end page non cancer effects back end page cancer Here is hydrogen cyanide Here is the IRIS information for non cancer oral intake Here is non cancer inhalation intake from IRIS Here is ATSDR here is OPP and here you have Cal EPA info here This whole page is dedicated to the non cancerous effects it will tell you NOAELs benchmark dose level here the species the experiment was done on and it will also give you again experimental values here It gives you the critical effects here that were observed for these chemicals In this case hydrogen cyanide was affecting body weight an endocrine disrupter and also neurotoxin If go to the back end of this page get whether there was any cancer assessment And as you can see none of the agencies we worked with did a cancer assessment for hydrogen cyanide probably because the creatures died before they could do it So how about ethyl benzene again non cancer on the front of the page and on the back of the profile cancer And again IRIS classification for ethyl benzene not classifiable as to human carcinogenicity IARC classification 2B the agent is possible carcinogenic to humans So there are your profile reports Very user friendly Front and back page Back page cancer front non cancer One page front and back dedicated to eac
36. national Agency for Research on Cancer IARC and our very own Toxic Releases Inventory TRI information from the Federal Register Notices we have generated over the years in reference to the TRI Program chemicals Now want to exit out of this page am being blocked over here so let me click over there and keep that open Besides in the documentation and tutorials if you want to know about the information sources in more detail we have a rather comprehensive document over here to support you including tutorials with screen shots on how to get through TRI CHIP and we try to make it user friendly as possible So let s get started If hit this button over here Search by Source that is the first screen that comes up here we have the Search by Source Option in TRI CHIP Is there anyway we can minimize this screen over here Kelly will work thru it But here at the very top first of all you select the source of data here s IRIS or OPP The default is IRIS These fields over here up top are unique to IRIS type information If hit OPP it has some similar fields These are toxicity parameters In fact if you want to find out what this like what is an acute RFD we have user friendly information like reference dosage estimate to the daily oral exposure to the human population and it has the definition of reference dose This is just a facilitating tool on these particular acronyms Bill came by and helped me on that We have ATSDR inhalat
37. nd TRI NET is an excellent addition when and how is TRI CHIP is available to the public TRI CHIP is undergoing a robust QC of the data We ve just about finished the data review and we are doing a system review We are hoping maybe in the next 30 days having it in pretty good shape to put out the public 1 39 46 Great And I m going to change presenters to Bill Smith who will talk to us about TRI mobile applications Give me a second OK can everyone hear me Yes we can hear you Bill At EPA there is an initiative to put the EPA applications up on mobile devices Of course we want to put TRI applications up on mobile devices We want to put it on the iPhone as well as the blackberry We want them to have coverage for the other devices such as non smart phones etc that are not iPhones and blackberries So initially the application we are coming up with is something that is TRI based and we are calling it MyRTK which is my right to know And right now there are three versions One for the web which will handle all mobile phones The other one is a native app for the iPhone and native for the blackberry So this MyRTK will be developed on three different platforms Right now we are making progress with the web mobile We have a working version of that up and we are testing out And we are trying to make it as close to a native looking application as we can get We put together a prototype for the iPhone as well And this is what bit will look lik
38. ne we can click up here and we can see this is Vopak Logistics and again it gives a latitude and a longitude for that particular facility And as Will mentioned what you can do is you can click on this link and that will take you if it will come up that will take you to that facility within Envirofacts and we can see here this is the facility name county name public contact we can see what the NAICS code is and in case you are unfamiliar with NAICS codes they are predecessors to SIC codes SIC codes meaning Standard Industrial Classification Code NAICS is the acronym for North American Industry Classification System and each facility has a unique number that identifies what it does This particular NAICS code says this facility is a hazardous waste treatment and disposal facility OK If we scroll down note too that we also have a tool within TRI called Enviromapper We can click on this tool and map the facility and again it shows where it is and what other facilities are around it and over here whether it is multiple activity whether it is a Superfund fund site toxic release inventory facility haz water discharges air emissions and hazard waste The one thing really want to point out is if you scroll down you will see all the chemicals they have ever reported whether they are currently reported them or not and for how long they have reported And you can see here that this particular facility or will say site and will explain mys
39. ntal Indicators would have So in a nutshell TRI NET has an ad hoc query system it has mapping with mashups it has neighborhoods and it has multiple layers along with auto updating on the web and integration with desktop applications So let s go ahead and try a couple of queries run through it Let s talk a little about the Toolbar The button on the toolbar this globe will take you out to the Web supporting this tool and allowing you to get additional data sets The tool comes with one year of data the latest year Then you can download up to 21 data sets and it also has some trend data sets which are multiple years This button here with a search on it is a magnifying glass is for looking around neighborhoods These two buttons are this one here is for mapping a selection of Google maps the next one is for sending it to a KML reader such as Google Earth This button here will send it to a spreadsheet so if you have done a query analysis you can send it to a spreadsheet and share it with your colleagues Or you could send it to the browser for a browser report These last three buttons allow you to open and save queries So if you have a query you do not have to go through building it again you could just save it and the next time you would want to use it load that So let s go ahead and try one of these queries Let s look at let s do a TRI Neighborhood query We are getting an echo here Let s enter an address I ve typed
40. o with it And by given the option of selecting the top 10 15 you can create near finished products directly from the Explorer Web Site Let me go back to some of the other pages to show you some of the fun things we have done OK another item we have done is tucked more information into reports people were already used to seeing But more data is there now am picking places at random in all honesty So cannot say exactly what I m going to see but should be able to display for you Anytime you do a facility report at the zip code or county level you get the facility name plus the chemical name See what we have today Florida Brevard County What we have added to this report on the right is what we have today On the left is the enhanced version which will be out in the near term We have added the county name to the report In the past we did not have this This will make it much easier In several other reports the county name is in the facility report now Another item we have added in this line right here After the chemical name we have added the industry code that TRI Explorer uses for any analyses which is done on TRI Explorer when you do industry reports In the past we gave you this information but not at this point at time Where this comes in handy is when there are TRIFIDs which are multi facilities Multi facility locations are where a single company can report under multi industry codes It does not happen a lot but it does hap
41. ore experienced and technical user It can handle large queries and generate very complex trends for analysis And you can access it by going to this link and scrolling down to this download the application And so you download that onto your desktop and work with it from there And the next tool is TRI Explorer It s a web based application that s a little more user friendly for the beginner users And it includes a TRI Explorer tutorial for the first time users that you ll find right here And this is straight from EPA s web site You don t have to download anything onto your desktop And the last tool that lIl be talking about Envirofacts is actually one of the first tools that EPA developed for TRI data analysis It includes both TRI data and data from other EPA database collections And if you click on the link you can see that you can search through air water waste etc If you want to search TRI data go to Toxics And it comes up with one of the most simple interfaces that we have in Envirofacts There are a variety of interfaces that you can use depending on what kind of experience you have as a user and what kind of query you want and what kind of data you want out of that query So it ranges from some of the most simple interfaces like this Toxics interface and the Form R Reports interface to the most complex which is this Customized Query interface And I m not going to go through all of them because they have been around for a while
42. otice it in response time In the past a typical facility report file was 180 kilobytes of data delivered to the desktop The enhanced version they are down 70 K bites So we have cut the size of the file brought to the desktop down by a 1 3 If you do a facility report with every option you can we ve actually reduced the load to the desk top to a quarter to what it was in the past That doesn t mean the response time is 4 times faster but response time typically will be quicker will entertain any questions you may have now 1 19 56 Thanks Steve do not see any specific questions come in there was one comment Justa note that it would be very helpful to sort this information by watershed As a State environmental Agency we use this type of data frequently for watershed analysis Unfortunately watershed is not that we have currently but that is something we can consider as an option for geography to break out Ok if there are no other questions for Steve I m going to turn it over to John Scalera who will be doing a demonstration of TRI CHIP Toxic Release Inventory Chemical Hazard Information Profiles John just give me a few minutes to change presenters and you should be good to go This is a tool we have developed It is a tool a little different from the others in that this tool gives you information like what is so bad about these particular chemicals that these industries are releasing Really the first step in identifyin
43. pen and this will help explain when you see the same chemical listed twice for s single company Another important piece of data we have brought up to the surface a little higher is the codes that a facility reports plus the codes that TRI Explorer uses for the analyses Again going down into the TRI Explorer most of the options have been there but not used always used very much The facility Profile Report in a lot of ways is one of the most powerful reports in TRI Explorer Unfortunately it has not been used to the extent it should be used We can forget what is on the right what we did today in the current Explorer is we give you this information just highlighted We let you see the full NAICS or the full NAICS codes of the facility We never gave this industry sector code that TRI Explorer uses It was buried in the downloaded reports Today this is what you get You get this first part What we are giving you in the enhanced version is what the facility reported and what TRI Explorer is using for the analysis For this facility it is fairly simple Some facilities report under multiple codes and all their codes will be listed and one or more multiple industry codes Explorer maybe using during analyses think that wraps up what we have done to Explorer Some of the numbers of TRI Reports with the enhanced version most of files are smaller in size that are being delivered to the desk top You will not see this as a feature so much but you will n
44. r been released And granted this was a pretty rough data set It only had the most basic data quality checks run through it but the TRI program thought it was important in an effort for transparency to get that information out to the public as early as possible And our more refined and analyzed data is scheduled to come out next month December 2009 with the TRI National Analysis And that was formerly known as the Public Data Release for those of you who have been out around for a while 7 38 Alright now going back to the TRI Data and Tools home page the next link down is called Download TRI s Public Data Release data And you can go there to download PDRs or Public Data Releases from years past from 2007 all the way back to 1996 The third link down is where you can go and download TRI state data files as well as TRI state fact sheets from 1996 to 2001 And for those of you who want state fact sheets from 2002 and beyond you can go to TRI Explorer for that The fourth link just very quickly is where you can find TRI source reduction and recycling information right here at the bottom of this page and you can get that in Excel spreadsheet form And lastly we find the three tools that EPA has developed for the public to analyze TRI data and these are going to be gone into in further depth later on in this Webinar but just a quick overview TRI NET is a high performance data machine that you can download from EPA s website It caters to the m
45. roFacts Warehouse is very helpful You can look at trends What did here is look at total releases the release report and then rank them in trends for the state This is a simple example showing the total air emissions and the others in descending order So we can see how these have compared over the years You saw a presentation about Envirofacts and this is another tool that comes in really handy within a matter of minutes or so you can have the results We were shown by Kara that you can use the toxic icon generally go to the left there in what call the table of contents use the query maps and reports button and quickly go down to that toxic release inventory section hit TRI EZ easy query and in the EZ easy query there are three easy steps to generate your search look at some issues very frequently Step 1 Step 2 is to pick a few fields am interested in This helps me to identify facilities again getting back to Gerresheimer you put beginning with you put the zip code and pick a couple of fields like to rank them by reporting year and by the chemical in the reporting year it is a nice sort for me to see the data and you see kind of hidden underneath the drop down of the zip code it says reporting year 2005 so get a report no 2005 but a 2006 and 2007 and again this is been corrected data you can see this was run on September 18 on the upper left hand corner that was after communicated with EPA about the two
46. ry quick reminders We will be hosting another TRI focused webinar this coming spring and we ask you to submit topics and suggestions for the spring webinar through our web site and just want to say the web site one more time because know everyone has mentioned in a lot in the last two hours It is www chemicalright2know org also want to remind everyone that a survey will be generated by an automated email within the next 24 hours on this webinar Please take a few minutes to take this survey There are only 5 quick questions We just want to know what you think If you thought it was well worth your time Any areas for improvements Any suggestions for future webinars The last reminder is that we did record this webinar and it will be posted on the chemical right to know web site hopefully by early to mid December So with that I d just like to again thank you all for participating and will now officially close out the webinar Thank you 1 55 07
47. t from some of the software enhancements of the underlying software and bring these enhancements up to the user interface Now what you will notice on the left is what we call the enhanced TRI Explorer and on the right what Explorer looks as it exists today The main difference is the look and feel with and without the enhancements is virtually the same Someone who is experienced with Explorer today will have no problem with using the enhanced version What the enhanced version does is it lets us get to the data much quicker and actually we get to more of the data which has always existed but has been buried for users that were not fully experienced with using the software Now currently we still have one more administrative hurdle until we make the enhanced version of Explorer public And we expect that unfortunately it can be anytime between tomorrow to maybe next month But it is down the road in the near term will periodically be working the same item through the enhanced and the existing One of the features that the enhanced version has is on a report will generate a chemical report for both versions Currently the first column in all the TRI reports except for facility is just a data column In the enhanced version the first column is always going to be a linkable drill down column The drill down will always go l should say in most cases will always go to the facility report We have a new report that has a slight exception to that
48. tes and seconds You can go on the Web and find converters where you can go back and forth between degrees minutes and seconds and decimal degrees Notice the United States we will always have a west longitude and that means it is going to be a negative number for the longitude Ok So once you stick in the address once you go and get a geo code and say Ok And now what you want to do is you want to build your query have not yet figured out yet the difference between the up and the down arrow either one works So just click on one and if you are going to be thinking about mapping the facilities if you are going to map the facilities then you always want to pick out what we call the TRIFID that s the Toxic Release Inventory Facility Identification Number And for the first part we will just say we want the name address city state And then we want to make sure we stay in Texas so we want to click on the filter we want to click on geography scroll down and pick Texas and then up here under the ad hoc we want to make sure we stay in the Deer Park vicinity so we type in lower case city then then single quote and then in ALL CAPS the name of the city close single quote and if you want to determine what all these variable could be simply go under data and then look at Meta Data and under Meta Data you will find on the left hand side what these different variables could be It could be zip code it could be just about anything Well any
49. way we have our city we ve got our state we ve got our location so now what we want to do is we want to run that query and we see up here we have several facilities and note they are all in Deerpark Now in order to map these facilities we have to select them because if went here and just did map notice it says no rows selected mark the selection with the mouse and try again OK So to mark all these up here in the upper left hand corner click that and you will notice all the rows are highlighted Now when we click on the Google maps and want to point this out depending on the type of browser you are using am using Internet Explorer 7 If you are using that notice this little security button that comes up Simply click on that allow block contents say yes And we notice facilities are coming up and Will was kind enough to insert this crosshair so we can simply zoom in and the intersection of that crosshair is the address we typed in to my neighborhood and I m simply have a little scroll button on my mouse so can zoom in and zoom out or you can use the zoom in and out bar on the left hand side here And if you are interested in what the facilities is eventually we hope to add we have a legend over here 1 2 3 4 eventually we hope to add 1 2 3 4 5 6 over here so we can visually see at one time which facility is which Right now we can click on a link here or click on the little icon and you can see this is Valvoli
50. wo Webinars in between the conferences and cover some of the similar topics that we ve covered in our in person conferences So today and we will have another one coming up in spring And if you have thoughts on what would be useful topics for the spring Webinar you can go to chemicalright2know org and you can also contact Kelley Ann at ECOS or Christine Arcari at EPA So just a brief intro here on the tool sets that we re going to be talking about TRI has always tried to sort of lead in finding ways to make the data available to the public and that includes government agencies and researchers and others community groups trade associations that have an interest in the data And so what we ve done with this Webinar today is that we ve gotten some of the tool developers and managers primarily at EPA but you re going to hear from at least believe one non EPA person to talk about the tools and how they can be used and hopefully how they can be useful to you And it also is going to be an opportunity to kind of interact directly with the folks who have developed these tools And also there ll be again some as Kelley Ann mentioned there are mechanisms for feedback and hopefully this will kind of make the tools more transparent and useful to you And also let you hear first hand from the technical folks who have developed these and managed them and work with them every day So it s you know an opportunity to pick their brain With that let m
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