1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project
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1. overlooked originally was the fact that the intake and exhaust port heights will change after boring As the ports enter the cylinder at an angle the more that is taken off the cylinder wall the greater the distance between the ports and the top of the cylinder This will radically affect how the engine runs To ensure that the exhaust and intake timing remains the same you should measure the distances between the top of the ports and the top of the cylinder before boring After boring those heights should be restored by ho http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 7 grinding This is not just a matter of raising the heights but also ensuring the angle of entry remains the same A good site that explains these issues as well as showing how to go about cylinder mapping is MacDizzys two stroke tuning page Also visit the links page as he has links to several good sites covering two stroke tuning When I get some more money in the scooter fund I ll send away for a LeoVinci exhaust The LeoVinci SP3 is purportedly good for about a 20 increase in power with noise remaining at stock levels A LeoVinci handmade Z is a pure expansion chamber with a standard glass pack flow through muffler It should yield higher power but with greater noise The hawaiian shops also offer exhausts that are specifically designed for larger displacement scooters I had also ordered some B2. beefy part of the scooter When the arms have a bit of tension the tool did not slip out of the slots but held much to my surprise one of the arms should http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 5 be bent so that it is in the same plane as the other where they both attach to the flywheel or clutch I hope this makes sense to you as it is an invaluable tool at a reasonable cost Make the arms out of thicker material than shown if you can Mine flexes when I used it on a larger Honda 2 3 16 allan head bolts scooter 2 3 4 x 1 8 or 3 16 bar steel for arms Porting and polishin The thicker the better dremelitis extremis 1 1 2 bolt for pivot point Somewhere along the line I started noticing how the motor had a lot of nice design features such as a case reed valve 6 intake ports hemi head combustion chamber cdi ignition The case and cylinder had reasonably oth passageways but also room for improvement There were casting marks in the reed valve passagew the case as well as the intake manifold The exhaust passageway in the cylinder looked a little rough agxyell All these areas were smoothed and polished using sandpaper and dremel tool If I had not been d a bottom end rebuild I would have restricted the polishing to the intake manifold and the exhau t While I was polishing I did the inside of the crankcase as well There was no great amount o
3. it slow and draw your own exploded diagrams ow things fit together It will pay off on reassembly While the engine itself is straight forward theNapious clips routing of wires and tubing is unique to this engine and you should make drawings befor ssembling or if you re lazy take photographs Lots of photographs It is much easier with a service al but even then drawings and photos are a big help DO NOT RUSH Sooner or later you ll need Qi to hold the crankshaft while you loosen the flywheel or simply hold the flywheel while you loosen the nut holding the drive side pulley so you can change the drive belt It would be great if the same tool held the clutch so you could loosen the clutch nut and check the clutch linings The Honda service manual refers to just such a tool universal holder part 07725 0030000 but I was quoted a price of 150 the same price as the LeoVinci SP3 I m saving for so built something as shown in the drawing below The allen head bolts must fit into the slots in the flywheel and the clutch The head of the bolt fits the Using a variety of sizes of allen head bolts and slot not the threaded portion as making the arms of thicker material will allow you to use this nothing should stick inside the tool on larger scooters making it a true universal holder flywheel where it could harm the magneto Put a bit of tension on the flywheel or drive pulley nut until the long arms of the tool are up against the floor or a
4. meantime the da e getting longer and I think for now I should just ride and spend any extra time working on one of eines scooters AN To sum up the modifications to date OR tat O malossi 47 mm piston increasing displacement to 65 cc grinding the head to obtain a 10 3 1 compression pwr Boyesen reed valves modifying the stock air filter to increase the algae porting and polishing of the crankcase inle nifold exhaust port and intake ports Cylinder RN casting marks and altering the port timing from 50 psi cylinder pressure porting consisted of removing rough edge stock see text e Opening up the main jet to 965 m SNI too rich e opening up the carburetor bore ey crease full throttle air intake se x Q A large smile on face increased pulling power especially noticeable on hills decreased gas mileage by at least 25 slightly noisier slightly higher top speed an incredible investment of time which for the most part was enjoyable a scooter that is pleasant to ride in traffic The results are The operating conditions are 200 pounds driver sea level driving premium non leaded gas 94 octane Motul motolube 2T oil http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 11 a heightened sense of wellbeing and an urge to weave all over the road while smiling like ea an idiot Just so you know Visit the MyScoot Design Shop with Tshirts Coff
5. motor assembly Take a break and match up the various fasteners with the correct body pieces attach them with masking tape and put them away somewhere out of the way You should be able to see where the main back body piece is fastened one location is at the back of the frame where the rear taillight assembly was attached The other is at the lower front where two bolts mount the body piece to two points on the frame at either side of the battery After the bodyspiece is removed you can disconnect the taillight assembly electrical connection at the white junction on Oreh hand side of the scooter Disconnect the turn signal bulbs by twisting the bulb holder Remove the license plate Underneath the license plate there are two deep tunnels with 10 mm bolts at the end that Ka the assembly Remove them and the assembly should come free Now you should have enough rn do any engine work necessary In my case I wanted to remove the body parts in any case so Ke uld repair and prep them for painting Y The Heart of The Beast At this point I was expecting the disassembly to be straightforward First I cleaned the engine as good as I could with gunk cleaner and a water hose I had paused here to look over the engine and see where all the tubing and wiring and cables went and what they were connected to at the engine and the other end There was an oil pump located by the starter engine at the front of the motor The throttle cable was split into
6. print A quick search on the internet revealed that manuals are still availiable through compa Dike Helm inc www helminc com for most Honda scooters from the early 1980s For a bit of a gigei ehd Canadian Motorcycle Guide s article comparing a Honda Dio and Yamaha BWS amp S http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 2 http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 3 Scooter Disassembly I began to look for ways to disassemble the body panels from the frame The lower body trim pieces that stretch from the front of the floorboards and up to the rear turn signal assembly were secured by two phillips head bolts that attached from the side to two points on the frame under the floorboard area There was an additional attachment at the rear originally but mine had the tabs broken off Next the seat was raised and the rear rack and taillight assembly were removed after removing two nuts from under the seat located at the front part of the rack and another two bolts located directly under the stoplight assembly The rack tailight assembly was lifted free and left to dangle There are an additional two bolts located at the very deepest part of the storage area underneath the seat Remove those two remove the oil filler cap and then you can lift the seat storage assembly off the scooter and get a birds eye view of the
7. two cables just before going to the carburettor The extra cable went to the oil pump and regulated the oil flow according to the throttle setting Seeing as the engine had a blown crank bearing I thought about how I could increase the flow of oil by varying the adjustment on the cable There was no fuel on off control like on most motorcycles and scooters I d seen There was a lot of tubing vacuum oil feed gas and I made a note to http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 4 label each with masking tape when I disconnected them 7 a i c AT f by larh EOE BE d EAN The engine assembly is attached mechanically at one pivot point under the engine case By removing one long bolt the engine would come free but first all wiring tubing and other attachments have to be disconnected The engine wiring was in bundled assemblies that had quick disconnect electrical junctions white Two junctions had to be separated to disconnect the engine One was for the electric choke on the carburettor and the other junction included all other wiring The tubing from oil pump to oil reservoir gas tank to carburettor vacuum attachment from intake manifold to gas tank were disconnected and labelled The gnurled throttle slide holder where the throttle cable enters the carb was unscrewed and the throttle slide assembly removed and left to dangle Lastly loosen the retaining bolt
8. type exhaust could boost power by 30 I took off the head and shaped it a bit better as I have my dremel back I kept grinding and re fitting until I had a compression ratio of about 10 3 1 or 150 Ibs cylinder pressure Even though the days are still dry and sunny here I decided to do this now as I had been surfing the web last night and come across a motocross tuners website that mentioned a high compression ratio could result in a flat spot at high RPM I was still reaching top speed at about half to two thirds throttle My continual up jetting was an attempt to remove the flat spot as I thought it was due to the engines running lean Reducing the compression ratio has increased the top speed and I ve got at least another 5 km h on the top end The speedo runs out at 60 km h but I don t think it could be running more than 65 km h 41 mph approx I know this isn t an incredible increase in top speed but the thing is it seems to reach top speed quicker and does not slow down on small hills There is http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 10 still no throttle response after 3 4 throttle that I can tell My gas mileage has been consistently running about 25 km I since the most recent jet change I am currently running a main jet that has been opened up to 1 02 mm 60 drill 0 04 inches which is an increase of 16 Not wonderful for gas mileage and in hindsight probably mu
9. 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 1 Honda Elite SA50L aka Elite LX modifications WARNING Whether your scooter is simply a travel appliance or an escape pod used to fight the PON pull of the daily grind I am hoping this page will offer something useful The information contained in this page is a r of my experience and is in no way a reflection of what a trained mechanic or rational person might do If in doubt a Honda O rained mechanic is usually availiable within scooting range Nevertheless the following journal will I hope contain inform aluable to any owner The Honda Elite was cheap and I was curious about automatic scooter transmissions so I thought that A it never ran again I would get my moneys worth in entertainment I was not disappointed A SS O The Hazards of Window Shopping O On a trip originally intended to pick up a carburetor for PAN I ended up buying a 1990 Honda Elite LX in March of 1999 at a local Bike wrecking shop T gine made a growling sound when turned over and everyone agreed it was probably a main bearingWeeding replacement The scooter had seen service as a rental and the mirrors turn signals and parts of ody had been broken off or heavily scratched The seat and instrument panel were in good shape Undefkeath the frame and mechanicals looked in good condition with no corrosion scratched pieces etc first thing 1 did was check the availability of service manuals but the local dealer said they were
10. acer in place and then dremel out the spacer so that the ports matched exactly but my dremel broke and I had to send it away to be repaired under warranty I ended up doing it with a hand file which was close but not as perfect as originally intended The base cylinder gasket appears to be assymetrical the two main intake ports are not the same size or shape so I ended up notching the spacer on one side so I could tell which way it should be installed After the erlind Race spacer was finished I installed it along with the piston and cylinder I have not used longerpa ts to mount the cylinder I modified the head by first tracing out a 47 mm circle to match the new I used a hand file to remove material from the head using about the same angle as the original I kepti ing the head without the head gasket and refiling until the piston would go through a complete revoks ion without hitting the head I then cleaned up the head with steel wool in a succession of finer grades the cylinder head was without any visible scratches I then inserted a stick of solder throught the lug hole in the assembled engine and measured it It was well below 1 mm at the tightest spot so I Bsembled the engine using the head gasket this time There should be at least 1mm clearance prefer bt inore which the head gasket provided even if the piston just missed the cylinder head in some spots wig the head gasket Without that clearance your engine will self destruct the
11. alone RNY I reassembled with the new reed valves stock pisto d cylinder but new rings hey the weather was nice and I was itching to try this scoot out There is a bit of power up to about 2 3 throttle After that the engine loses power so that may mean replacing main jet with something larger to richen the mixture In order to make it rideable I ended up addin nother foam filter on top of the stock one as I had drilled lots of holes in the original air filter body anita running lean The doubling up on the foam seems to have richened it up some and it is now rideabRy ntil I can get a set of number drills my Honda parts guy says a larger jet is not available N The needle valve on my 1990 EW has only three positions for adjustment Most motorcycle carbs have five The Idle mixture screw can Qe rned clock wise to richen the mixture The clip on the needle valve can be moved closer to the pointy end to richen the mixture The reverse adjustment on either will lean out the mixture The float bowl drains through a piece of tubing located on the opposite side of the carburettor shown in the photo It is handy to drain the bowl before intake modification shown produces quite a bit of extra acceleration along with additional noise The original air filter body covered the carburettor and was cut to make adjustment easier Unless you are running very rich it is probably not an especially intelligent move to muck about with the air filt
12. and remove the rear shock spring assembly from the engine case You could pop the engine assembly now but first I removed the 1 air cleaner assembly x 2 cylinder cooling shrouds Qy 3 muffler oP I won t go into detail about the engine tear down If you are not comer ith disassembling motors and have no experience now might be a good time to take the motor you havg Memoved into your local motorcycle or scooter mechanic for any modifications The factory m is useful if you wish to try it yourself and the cost of the manual was more or less the same as one iptr of a Honda mechanics labour cost so I recouped the cost of the manual pretty quickly You won t n ny special tools aside from screwdrivers sockets and combination wrenches as long as y n t intend on removing the flywheel or loosening the clutch or speed variator mechanism on the drigg side Sooner or later the drive belt will need replacing and you will want to change the variator weig ou do any substantial engine modifications Do take the engine assembly to a dealers if there is a pointyeu will need specialized tools A lot of damage can be done unless you have the correct tools and I use local dealer to re assemble my crankshaft assembly and lower case If you have a lot of spare money want to buy your own factory tool set Kowa tools website has some interesting tools specifically fs e Honda I drew diagrams and used sandwich bag o package and label the different sub assemblies Take
13. awaii that handle Japanese performance kits to enable your Elite to reach 90 mph You ll even be able to say you have an 88 Elite and they ll know what part you need Its difficult to find out about Japanese performance parts although their web pages can be translated by Alta Vista I wish I d taken Japanese instead of French in school I have the contact info for the American shops Hawaiian en otherwise at this ES ONDA page LIT B5imph kailua HI LOOK Thanks Charlie fop ics and Hawaiian links pes i x S The compression height of the piston is 5 N ier than stock but I ve made a 5 mm spacer for the base of the cylinder using a cylinder base gasket sen mplate and using a 3 16 piece of aluminum 25 4 mm per inch divided by 16 and multiplied by 3 ay 4 76 mm and in addition to an extra cylinder base gasket should bring it close to 5 mm O S I would have preferred buying the complete cylinder kit as it has improved porting and was not that much more money over the cost the machine shop charged for boring the stock cylinder If at all possible buy the big bore cylinder kit and it will save you a lot of hassle The displacement will end up at 65 cc a 30 increase The Honda Dio cylinder kits are generally 70 cc because of the increased stroke of the dio crank Some of the Hawaiian shops have 85cc kits Even larger displacements can be had if you are willing to install a stroker crankshaft One thing I
14. ch too rich The port timing was checked as it is quite common on big bore conversions for the exhaust and intake timing to be retarded which would account for the flat spot at high RPM This would explain the substantially increased power at the bottom end of the RPM range This is one of the things you wouldn t have to worry about if you bought the malossi polini etc barrel After measuring the intake timing was extremely retarded That probably was the reason for the lack of RPM The intake timing was about 106 degrees duration whereas the original should be 112 degrees The boost ports located opposite the exhaust were only open 56 degrees where they should be only a few degrees less than the intake ports The engine would have been starving for fuel and not capable of any great RPM The weights in the variator pulley also showed a lot of wear I m hoping that correcting these two problems will increase top speed and smoothen out the engine at top speed I ve re ported the cylinder to 180 degrees exhaust duration 120 degrees intake duration and 110 degrees duration for the boost port I ve downsized the main jetting down two sizes to 965 mm 62 drill as it was running much too rich and I have a scooter that is much smoother than before new roller weights and it now goex off the speedo 65 km h I really don t want any extra top speed due to the size of the brakes vs the mo m of my body at 65 km hour The plug is running medium brown colour The
15. ee Ci read al d me ih cit its Ok on d mugs Clocks etc all with unique scooter designs from nota flashback or the onset of os mental illness the MyScoot workshop Support this site and get some cool looking items for yourself or friends Click Here igefery service tools for your Honda scooter ou ue Values for the SA50 Used scooter Honda Yamaha BWS vs Used Checkup scooter ID Honda DIO Scooter parts Honda 50cc Performance parts pa E A 20 ce Honda A A A paris Elite 50cc ero 80cc 125 150 250 scooters Jan 2002 Well its been 2 3 years since I finished the project above I sold the scooter but missed the fun of a 50cc scoot so I ve bought another wreck and have started the 2002 SA50 Project I hope to capitalize on my experience with the above project to reduce labour and expense as well as increase performance n i A bre dh Ne 00 Reculeo Electrons d f http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 12 http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21
16. er other than disassembling it to clean the foam element That is unless you love the waaaaaaaaahh sound it makes when accelerating in which case I d recommend going all out and buying a new air filter The stock one definitely inhibits performance http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 8 Later I got my cylinder back from the machine shop yesterday The cylinder had been bored to accept the 65cc 47 mm malossi piston I had bought from Taffspeed_ The original scooter seems to have come with a 0 0015 inch 0381 mm piston to cylinder clearance but the machinist suggested and I agreed to a 0 002 0 0508 mm clearance for the larger piston The maximum wear seems to be about 0 006 inches My Elite with 6000 km had about 0 002 wear on the original piston Along with two cylinder gaskets a new small end roller bearing and a 3 16 aluminum spacer I assembled the engine I ve put up a separate web page with torque values you ll need when re assembling the scooter Printing the page as a reference would be a good idea The addition of the extra cylinder base gasket and spacer increased the height of the cylinder by 5mm I was running about 115 lbs compression in the cylinder previously and am now running 175 Ibs I drilled a 2 hole in the 3 16 aluminum spacer and then used the cylinder gasket to outline the area to be removed for the ports I was hoping to put the sp
17. f meta oved except in the exhaust port where it appeared that the middle part of the passageway was constr The intake manifold was absurdly long and had a bend in it that defeated any efficient flow of air buicyside from polishing I couldn t see any easy fix A new manifold would make a big difference but was n my short list of improvements this time around R k It was at this stage that the dark side overcame me ag tarted thinking about a big bore kit and maybe an expansion chamber I finally ended up buyinsjust a bigger piston 47 mm as there was some difficulty finding a Malossi or Polini cylinder kit thatched the port cut outs in my crankcase The cylinder for the Honda Vision had smaller por n mine and the Honda Dio had larger ports a different exhaust port outlet and the wrist pin was 12 ompared to my 10 mm I ended up ordering just the Malossi Vision piston after much corre withTerry at Taffspeed Roman H from Chicago modified a efi model Vision big bore cylinder kit to fit his 88 Elite I ve put up a Separate page with info from an here This is a viable alternative if you have a 1988 to 1993 Elite The modifications would be mu sier if you ensure you order an aluminum cylinder O http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 6 To avoid the whole issue of trying to figure out the european model designation for your 50 cc Honda there are a couple of shops in H
18. first time it reaches speed e very careful to ensure you have proper head to piston clearance The higher compression definitel nslates into more pulling power and hills are no problem If I ever take the cylinder off again I wilfyhise the exhaust port a bit so that should bring the compression lower as well as let the engine regi more The July weather is too nice to think about disassembling the motor again ae amp robably been a result of my fiddling with the aircleaner and getting a bit too carried away with my dr mel I had originally expected to be running rich because of the increase in displacement and the Boy eed valves I had ordered another main jet from Honda in the same size I had as they don t offer an oVergize jet The idea was that I would drill the new jet until it was obviously too big and then I could go back and drill the original jet to one drill size smaller hopefully the right jet size My jet was stamped with an 88 which I finally figured out meant it was 0 88 mm I figured this out by comparing some guitar string sizes against my main jet The strings carry metric as well as imperial measurement so I noted which of the various strings would fit through the main jet opening My D string 711 mm would fit but my A string 965 mm was too big The chart below shows the various number drills that will increase the scooters main jet size 163 IN Er 64 0o30 omm 463 oo oom 162 ES 361 nr The scoot was running lea
19. fuel line nor the oil lines are kinked and restric e Ow 4 Check the fuel float level in the carburetor O HooHaa It s quite stiff yet and will probably ta Shite but there is a noticeable increase in power The scooter wants to wheelie At this writing I v 50 km 90 miles on the scooter and it s gotten smoother with each ride Hills that previously made heck my rear view mirror for traffic are no longer a problem The scooter doesn t appear to be running at full throttle but because I m still running in the new rings and cylinder I ve avoided full throttle fo ny thing but very short bursts The plug is a nice medium chocolate brown Q This would be a good time to sath personal dimensions so you can judge what you can expect from any modifications you choose o irst of all my weight is over 200 with riding gear Yes I weigh 30 more than the scooter I have a neighbour who weighs considerably less and he took a quick ride around the block and confirmed that there was a large increase in power since when he d ridden it with the stock piston He also said he wouldn t want to ride it if it were any quicker He was doing 60 km hour uphill and this when the engine is still being run in The next logical step is to put on a performance exhaust and I would favour the SP3 from LeoVinci due to the claim of low noise quiet as stock and a 20 increase in power However if noise was not an issue loud mufflers save lives an expansion chamber
20. n which 60 0 0400 1 016 mm http www3 telus net dougsimpson Elite_1 html 08 10 2006 13 43 21 1990 Honda Elite 50 cc LX project Page 9 59 0 0410 1 041 mm 58 0 0420 1 067 mm 57 10 0430 1 092 mm The stock main jet is just a small amount less than a 65 drill so it would make sense to start with a 64 drill and work towards the larger sizes larger holes the number drill sizes get smaller A word of caution here before you start The richness or leaness of your mixture can also be affected by a number of other factors so make sure these other parts are operating to specs before you start drilling These other areas are 1 The oil injection Make sure you are running at the desired mixture ratio More oil will lean out your gas to air mixture After 1993 there was no adjustment but before that you could adjust the amount of oil being sent to the carb If there were no problems before you should be OK but if you intend to fiddle with it do the adjustment before playing with your main jet Also make sure you were not leaking oil from the various connections If so replace the tubing or the clamp that secures the tubing 2 Check and clean the filters leading from both the oil and gas tanks Both filters aredocated right at the respective tanks where the lines exit from the tank They should be visually inspec nd then blown with compressed air to remove any debris that has collected O 3 Check that neither the
21. oyesen reed valves Same problem with ordering in that no Elite model was listed I sent Boyesen a diagram of my reed valve with measurements and they sent me a model for the Dio model 708 which fits just great Earlier Elites may take the Vision reed valves so check first The final modification was to the air cleaner Air being drawn into the filter goes through quite a maze I initially smoothed out and enlarged removing reinforcing ribs in a rectangular inlet 4he air intake This change made quite a bit of an increase in acceleration The picture below shows t iy t and suggested modifications I was hoping the boyesen reed s tendency to richen the mixture woud be balanced by the leaning of the mixture caused by enhancing the air intake Initial rides tell Ve got a bit of tuning yet to do to get the fuel mixture right To avoid any jetting hassles you may o avoid major modifications to the air intake air filter assembly until all other planned modificatio e made My local Honda dealer only lists two jet sizes for the Elite so I m going to have to play wit ing the jet to get the right size Adjusting the mixture can be a pain and there is no point having to 49 t twice A final note on modifying the air filter you will increase the noise considerably and if quietne a preference or a necessity then best to leave it as close to stock as possible Do take the effort to clean g9 element often An Argument for leaving well enough
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