Twin Comanche
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1. RH EDM 760 Fuel Selector and Throttle Prop Mixture panel Last but not least the Preflight Gauge With this window we can make certain modifications while the aircraft is on the ground We can open close the fuel caps place wheel blocks in front of the nose wheels and insert several REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT red flags Additionally we can position a male pilot Hey Eaglesoft why is there no lady pilot with without sun glass This control panel is controlled via the grey screw above the aircraft clock See screenshots below When you click the red circle left picture the red squared window will appear right picture Here you can make some adjustments like selecting a pilot his sunglass and panel doors can be made file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 4 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site Virtual Cockpit Flying in VC mode is always fun and gives a more realistic feeling but then we hope that the VC is well modeled and that the panels don t have a cartoon look For Eaglesoft s Piper PA 30 this is not the case Before continue let s first have look to some VC shots made While relaxed looking around in the VC cockpit l m impressed about the panel details including the instruments and can tell you you need a lot of time to check those special installed instruments like the Garmin Navigation set a i b Fa Sitting at the back2. is even more fun The backside of the seats look very realistic and since I m sitting alone I ve a lot of space to jump from left to right and therefore can see all the different details However keep in mind as by many others the side panels and window struts are not digitalized so a little cartoon look is unfortunately there Cr a i a wa ee a m es n r T _ file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 5 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site Instrument details awesome When looking from the left to the right screenshots we scan the panel and even the smallest details are readable and more impressive hardly forget that I m dealing with a VC and not the standard 2D Let s first start with those sub panels Popping up those panels instruments as we have seen with the 2D still works When we start the VC you can see it s different than the 2D panel but looking to the quality there s hardly any difference In other words the VC startup panel looks as great and sharp as the 2D version and that s remarkable Well done guys What of course doesn t work are the LH RH air outlets to change between IFR VFR panel view and switching to the RH cockpit side but there s no need for it in a VC mode Simple when we move or slide to the RH seat we re able to switch ON the Garmin Navigation unit and again I m impressed with thi
3. me the opportunity to make some nice cockpit pictures for the landing Please enjoy the screenshots of the final phase of our landing at Kissimmee Gateway in Florida Lot s of Piper PA 30 details during early sunset Together with the 2D and the excellent VC can conclude that I m happy with this Eaglesoft product The only advice modification would like to give to Eaglesoft is to look if they can create a more weathered paint view This unrealistic look is especially visible during daylight conditions irrespective if it s sunny or cloudy Be iow 7 p i 2 T ar M Ok some last bonus screenshots but this time special ones When the sun slowly disappears it s time to switch ON the lights and there s Christmas time file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 8 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site Piper PA 30 sound Since I m not familiar with this sound because it s really different than what know from a single GA aircraft did a request at Eaglesoft The produced sound in FS and thus the recorded one is the real sound from those engines Ok something learned With this in mind did some tests with different power settings including full and quick throttle movements All can conclude is that I m finally happy with this but more important that Eaglesoft had the opportunity to record the original sound Summar
4. then known as the VFR panel Clicking again on either air outlet will again give you the IFR panel Well that s in short the story of the VFR IFR panel More information can be found in the ES Twin Comanche Sim manual T mi ee VFR panel without the IFR panel Courtesy of Airliners Net switches throttle etc p Real Piper PA 30 cockpit What personally miss are digitalized side pictures views When you toggle on the number pad you are able to see different side or backward views so nothing new These are not digitalized but just drawn pictures view can remember during my Flight1 review of the FS9 Cessna 172 Skyhawk that Flight1 used digitalized images which gave the 2D cockpit a very realistic representation So in other words that s missing here and that s a shame since a drawn internal cabin and seats are never as real as photographs asked Eaglesoft about this and they made it like it is now on purpose The reason behind this is that now the 2D side views and the VC unlimited views are now more or less the same When you use for the 2D cockpit digitalized pictures there s a huge difference and so Eaglesoft have chosen not to do that do understand their point but personally prefer digitalized pictures in the 2D side views NumPad views file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 3 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site These are all the
5. AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site Introduction AVSIM Commercial Aircraft Review Eaglesoft Piper PA 30 Twin Comanche Product I nformation Publisher Eaglesoft Description Add on Aircraft Download Size Format Simulation Type 50 6 MB FSX 38 9 MB FS9 Download FS9 amp FSX Reviewed by Angelique van Campen AVSIM Staff Reviewer December 12 2007 The Piper PA 30 and PA 39 Twin Comanche are a twin engine development of the PA 24 Comanche single engine aircraft The Twin Comanche was developed from the single engine Comanche by Ed Swearingen who at the time operated a facility that specialized in the modification of production aircraft No engine options were available from Piper which produced the aircraft with two 160 hp 120 kW Lycoming engines but 180 hp 135 kW and 200 hp 150 kW engines were available as a Miller modification A version with turbocharged engines for higher altitude flight was also developed and the PA 39 was a version with counter rotating engines to eliminate the critical engine that replaced the PA 30 in the early 1970s As the Twin Comanche was produced on the same production line as its single engine cousin production ceased when the production line was wiped out in a flood in the early 1970s and Piper chose instead to focus on its equally popular Cherokee 140 180 235 Arrow line eventually giving birth to the highly popular file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Co
6. anymore but nevertheless it s still a real beauty including this simulated Piper PA 30 from Eaglesoft When we look to specific details of the aircraft I m surprised about those tiny things For example looking underneath the fuselage wings clearly can be seen the oil leak strips along the engine pylon to the wing surface It looks so real and since we re looking here what do you think of the main wheels Ok they are retracted but that doesn t make any difference The wheel hubs and brakes look so amazing that you almost think it s real There s something unique that I ve not seen before When you start the engines the propellers are initially in a feathered position The moment you start the engine the blades move first out of this position and turn to normal position and then engine is started It s just a small detail but with a great impact The same for the spinner propeller decal and the two engine air inlets You can even see the cylinders of the engine itself Although it s a small detail there s a lot of grease on the main gear strut so it looks dirty The wheels have a normal round shape and even can read the manufacturer of it Further on the tail we find the external flight control rods for the elevator and rudder file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 7 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site Nice and detaile
7. d views of the Piper PA 30 have to admit see approach descent screenshots below that with tampered light conditions like sunrise Sunset the aircraft details painting looks much better Even with cloudy conditions first 2 screenshots the aircraft is too glossy and gives an unrealistic presentation Generally the whole look is very good lots of details which you don t really expect but know there s the but again what miss is that the paint on all the models looks too shiny no places where the paint is gone etc so no weathered look It s what you personally like and you could say that with these paintings they re just from the factory but a weathered look gives also something special something unique Descent approach and landing When reaching the Orlando area we disconnect the Auto Pilot and start our descent to 3000 feet Lucky for us we over fly the Disney World area so some additional screenshots could be made here More important related to the Piper since it s now already 07 00 PM the light becomes softer or warmer if you wish Suddenly the aircraft exterior or painting becomes very realistic The glossy look of hard white painted wings and fuselage is replaced by much more detail and lots of shadows This is great This is the way like to see airplanes Not that hard glossy unrealistic look During the final approach handed over the controls to my instructor while jump to the rear seats This gives
8. different numpad views in the 2D cockpit mode Unfortunately those screenshots related to the cabin including the seats are not very realistic Apart from this small item the panel looks very realistic Although there are many Piper PA 30 cockpit configurations available from simple old fashioned instruments to modern style with a complete navigation system Eaglesoft has chosen this last version Lucky for me and you found on the Internet a cockpit configuration which seems very close to the Eaglesoft one Sorry should say the Eaglesoft reflects very precise the original cockpit The panel is not only realistic but of course includes all the instruments lights switches circuit breakers knobs etc as well They are well designed and sharp so reading is no problem The 2D configuration offers no icons for pop up sub panels Instead of this it offers clickable instruments or what we ve seen before a switchable VFR IFR panel When clicking on for example the Garmin navigation module an enlarged panel appears The same effect happens when clicking on the co pilot s panel the Carbon Monoxide Detector placard This brings up the Fuel Selector and Throttle Mixture Prop RPM panel More information can be found in the Eaglesoft user s manual See below for some screenshots of those pop up panels instruments as well as the IFR VFR panel ae mo LH Apollo SL30 NAV COM MID Bendix King KI 825 Garmin Navigation System
9. done by hand Based on this consulted Eaglesoft In the past Eaglesoft had bad experiences with uninstallers Because of that they decided not to provide this uninstall tool anymore Eaglesoft experiences revealed that during an uninstall process more problems appear then before the uninstall process was Started Thinking about this know what they mean When the installer offers installs a newer file it overrides an existing one standard FS file this file will be removed during an uninstall procedure with the result being nothing is left and problems could start Uninstallers only work 100 as long as the installed files are all new and individual ones Apart of the uninstaller issue the installation was quite simple and straightforward Some words about the FSX version which was released on November 5th Via a special discount construction current FS2004 users can buy the additional FSX model at a reduced rate That means unfortunately no FS2004 FSX software for one price As far as understood from Eaglesoft the FSX model is fully remodeled and therefore uses all its special FSX features Documentation Ok back to our PTC Documents shortcut on the desktop I m not going into detail but it offers a huge amount of information needed to fly this PA 30 One thing is not there and that s a flight tutorial Although it s a simple aircraft what is simply these days it still houses a lot of advanced instruments so some guides fo
10. is slot for pennies a MSFS 2004 FSX is the most an income from SimWords www avsim com day advanced combat add on aircraft Become a Publisher today www avsim com ever created for the FS platform www avsim com Vertical Reality Simulations file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 10 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM
11. mmanche Commanche htm 1 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site twin engine Seneca which is essentially a Twin Cherokee Six The Piper PA 40 Arapaho had been scheduled to replace the PA 39 in the 1973 4 timeframe Three were manufactured and the aircraft was already fully certified when the decision was made not to proceed with the manufacture One of the three Arapahos was destroyed in a flat spin accident in 1973 the test pilot who was none other than future aviation entrepreneur Clay Lacy successfully escaped One was scrapped by Piper One remains flight worthy as of this writing but is not currently being flown The Twin Comanche is the most fuel efficient aircraft in its class With tip tanks the aircraft holds 120 gallons 454 Itr of fuel Fuel burn at typical cruise settings is approximately 15 5 gph 58 7 Iph with a cruise speed of 165 knots It easily climbs to 18 000 5 500 m when desired 24 000 7 300m if Courtesy of Airliners Net turbocharged When compared with the Seminole in reality a Twin Arrow the Twin Comanche goes faster carries more burns less fuel climbs more rapidly and ultimately higher is quieter and is more difficult for a novice to land When compared to the Seneca which is really quite a different aircraft the more noticeable differences are in handling The Seneca is like an SUV and the Comanche is like a sports car Three versions of the PA30 were p
12. r beginners was not a bad idea Let s quickly hover through the sub folders e Twin Comanche Real World Manuals In this folder you will find a collection of Word Excel and Acrobat documents which seems to me for the more experienced user A complete original scanned POH Weight amp Balance calculators other aircraft information etc file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 2 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site can be found here e ES Twin Comanche Sim Manuals It contains all kind of Eaglesoft excellent handmade manuals suitable for all kind of users e Simflyer MX20 G480 Manual A detailed Acrobat file reveals all the secrets of the Garmin Navigation System So what Eaglesoft offers is really a bunch of documents Probably too much for the average user but still they offer it and that s something appreciate which cannot always be said from other add on manufactures Cockpits 2D cockpit love this 2D view Eaglesoft offers an IFR and VFR look When you look closely you will find some differences Normally those differences are related to the instruments but here it s only the outside view which becomes a little more What happens when you click the air outlet on the LH or RH side window strut From the IFR panel the lower part with all the switches is removed which results in a lowering of the panel itself so you ve got more outside visibility and that s
13. r the sunny state of Florida freeware FREEFlow scenery Currently I m flying with FULL FLAPS with an IAS Indicated Air Speed of around 70 knots This condition is known as a SLOW flight with flaps and the Piper performs well So simulate a POWER OFF STALL which means that bring the throttles back to idle At the same time I ll try to keep my altitude with the elevator Apart of this need to watch and maintain my heading That s not easy but it seems the aircraft is performing very well and realistic get the pre stall warning and there it is the STALL correct immediately and return the aircraft back if necessary to the original heading and altitude Great operation STALL successfully finished On this flight we ve enough time to look around at this northern part of Florida Mountains deserts great lakes and forests are impressive not found here in this area but swamps and a flat landscape with the coastline does have something special Ok you re agreeing with me or not but with the freeware FREEFlow Florida scenery for Ultimate Terrain users installed it really does give you a real feeling When you also decide to add ActiveSky 6 5 it makes it even more real Ok let s go back to our flight External model ve switched ON the Auto Pilot so we can rest a little bit while we also have the time to look more closely to the external model The PA 30 is already an old real life model so it s not manufactured
14. roduced the original a B model and a C model The B and C models both carry six people and can be identified by the additional side windows Since there was no accompanying power increase the B C models simply give owners a fuel passenger tradeoff issue The back two seats are quite small Exterior dimensions are identical among all model PA30 PA39 aircraft Installation and Documentation Installation The Piper PA 30 Twin Comanche is available for FS2004 and FSX although you need to pay separately for the FSX model Since only reviewed the FS2004 version simply started the installation process and this is more or less self explanitory By the way the FSX version was not available during my review period and therefore could not test or compare it One thing before we go any further since the software is protected by the famous Flight1 s Wrapper you need to enter the necessary data and payments before the downloaded file will be extracted and you re ready for installation Our standard FS2004 directory is found so no need to correct this Before you know the process is already finished which results in a desktop folder named PTC Documents J ust a quick look to see if there s a Start menu item created but there isn t so this is it Let s hope there s an uninstaller created in the Control Panel s Add or Remove Software Unfortunately there s also no uninstaller item in here which means that uninstalling this PA 30 must be
15. s VC view The screenshots speak more or less for themselves could make hundred of pictures with even more details but think this Should be enough Fact stays but that s also applicable for other add on aircraft manufactures that the cabin layout Is not as beautiful as the instrument panel s At the same time have to correct myself since the front and rear leather seats look very realistic In other words the overall impression of the VC with cabin is very good think they have done a great job Flight impression and flight dynamics The best way to get a good impression of what this add on model is about is by making a test flight Yes that sounds logical but prefer not making an endless flight but one with a goal In this case the goal is to try out as much as possible what this PA 30 can and will do or allows me to do This will be done on a special flight from KTLH to KISM Dell Precision 650 Dual Intel Xeon 3 06Ghz 4Gb RAM DDR 533Mhz nVidia 7800GS 512Mb AGP can t make a loop or a twist around its longitudinal axis but can try a slow flight or bringing RAID 0 HDD s SCSI it into a stall or even making a steep turn Not that will do this ever in real life but just to see 340Gb what it can do and how it responds To simulate this I ve contacted Eaglesoft to check and Windows XP Professional verify my experiences and can tell you already it was great SP2 FSX with SP1 The trip distance for an aircraft of
16. this size is not that much but with so many planned tests CH USB Pedals during the flight before we knew we re already approaching the Orlando area For those under CH USB Flightsim Yoke you who are not familiar with Kissimmee Kissimmee is a small village or better to say was a small village Since Walt Disney dropped down here lots of other buildings industries and Flying Time airports where built around this village Kissimmee Gateway is just the gateway to Walt Disney 21 hours World After the necessary preparations and refueling we start the engines and wait till the oil temperatures are normal Since there s no ATC and the fact that we ve decided to make a VFR flight we only inform flight operations about our origin and destination airport including the expected flight time and a few other things We taxi to runway 18 and off we go heading towards the Gulf of Mexico We climb with a steady vertical speed to our cruising altitude of 8000 feet That s enough not too high else we need oxygen and not too low since we also want to do some practices At this altitude we have a great view and due to the weather conditions think we can see 10 20 Nm away Once Stabilized we do the last preparations One of them is bringing the mixture back to a position that matches the throttle position This works and once the engines are running fine can start with some practices Keep in mind I m not able to make screenshots of every maneu
17. tion equipment as well as manual flight performances to see and feel as far as feeling IS possible how this beauty operates Based on this and the relaxation in one of the Walt Disney resorts have come to the conclusion that it s really a great representation of the real PA 30 Is there something else or are there more competitors No there isn t or let s say there s no Piper PA 30 model but there are other twin GA aircraft like the ones from Flight 1 412C Golden Eagle DreamFleet 310 441 Conquest Il DreamFleet Baron 58 and the Aeroworx X treme King Air B200 This is just a collection and probably there are more but are those better that s difficult to say The only thing can do is look to the screenshots they are offering and see how they are It seems to me that the DreamFleet models are very good as well as the Aeroworx King Air B200 but that s it don t know anything about the models nor the flight characteristics and so on Final conclusion with a good feeling can advise you in buying this Eaglesoft product What I Like About The Twin Commanche Very realistic 2D and VC cockpit views Ultra sharp indicators The flight characteristics seem to me very real his is also the result that real pilots helped developing and testing the model Offering in three real painting schemes e Frame rate friendly model Absolutely worth to buy What I Don t Like About The Twin Commanche file El A VSIM Revie
18. ver make but l Il do my best First of all start introducing while flying manually some yaw For those under you add some rudder deflection and see how the aircraft responds This should result into an aircraft yaw but a yaw should result into an aircraft roll and when wait a little longer some altitude loss appears too What just described is pure aerodynamic laws so don t worry too much about that Everything hoped for happens in this simulated model so exercise successfully completed We continue with our next maneuver a slow flight with full flaps It s always strange that you re forward aircraft speed is file El A VSIM Reviews Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 6 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site dramatically reduced but still you re flying It works fine but since the landscape is not that interesting we return the aircraft in its normal configuration Now it s time to simulate a STALL condition I ve decided not to bring it into a full stall followed by a spin otherwise we lose too much altitude and that s not what want Apart from that don t want to come into a spin since ve no idea how this aircraft behaves in this condition Flying along the Gulf of Mexico heading south for St Petersburg and Tampa is fun The weather has cleared more or less which results in a nice view ove
19. ws Twin 20Commanche Commanche htm 9 of 10 13 12 2007 8 27 28 PM AVSIM Online Flight Simulation s Number 1 Site e It s ashame that you have to pay some money for the FSX version although must say that this FSX version will be completely remodeled so not just simple FSX compatible e Aircraft paint ing during daylight conditions very glossy which seems almost unrealistic During sunset sunrise the overall paint ing looks great e That s it nothing more Printing If you wish to print this review or read it offline at your leisure right click on the link below and select save as Twin Commanche adobe acrobat required Comments Standard Disclaimer The review above is a subjective assessment of the product by the author There is no connection between the producer and the reviewer and we feel this review is unbiased and truly reflects the performance of the product in the simming environment This disclaimer is posted here in order to provide you with background information on the reviewer and any connections that may exist between him her and the contributing party Tell A Friend About this Review 2007 AVSIM Online All Rights Reserved AVSIM Reviews Advertise Here VRS F A 18E Superbug Make Money with SimWords Want to stay on top of the most Want your advertising to count The VRS F A 18E Superbug for Join the ranks of websites earning recent ad ons See our Reviews Advertise in th
20. y Closing Remarks After spend lots of hours flying and looking around with the Piper PA 30 can say that it s one of my favorites and again and again if you want to find something negative or just a critical note you will find it Even with the external model where some parts are a little too glossy to my liking the idea is to create a brand new and very clean PA 30 and not a dirty model However at the same time when looking underneath the wings we do see a lot of engine outlet oil strips on the wings so at some places it s there Most important of course is the 2D cockpit and the VC The 2D is offered in an IFR and VFR panel although there are hardly any differences Only the switching panel is removed and because of that the panel drops slightly down with a little more outside view The instruments look great they are sharp and this is especially important for the VC model Flight and ground impression or characteristics are very good Excellent is a little too much Not because its not worth to write this down but for the simple reason that no motion is available it s difficult to judge with that last part of real feeling However believe that with the help of the real PA 30 pilots this Eaglesoft model simulates an as real as possible flight sim add on product During my test flight in Florida from KTLH Tallahassee Regional to Kissimmee Gateway KISM did a lot practicing by fiddling around with the Garmin naviga
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